Re: 10.21-22, Finale (spoilers)

Apologist Puncher Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:00 pm

Wow. Just......wow.

thecolorsblend Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:58 pm

non_amos wrote:My point? I may not have been avidly reading when Connor's complete details were revealed, I'm unsure. I do know he was a clone in the original story. However, I recall hearing and/or reading at some point that 'Conner Kent' was a 'union of Clark & Lex' DNA' & immediately do you know how CREEPY that sounded?! So Conner has '2 dads' huh?! It went beyond just sounding gay but downright creepy! Just who are they letting write this crap, someone with a 'PC' agenda?!

We can thank Geoff Johns for that. I swear, if I ever meet that guy in person, I'm kicking his ass.

Anyway. As you probably know, Superboy was originally basically a clone of Paul Westfield with DNA tweaked to be as close to Kryptonian as possible. I liked that. (A) It felt like something Westfield, the arrogant prick, would've done and (B) it doesn't reek of cheap melodrama like the Luthor/Superman clone thing does. There are 14 year old fanfic writers suffering from writer's block out there who'd look at that Lex/Superman clone concept and think "okay, that's just retarded".

But that's what Geoff Johns does. It's his move. He goes in there and shits all over established continuity. He's done it with Superboy, Green Lantern, the Flash (TWICE), Superman, the Legion of Super-Heroes, the list just goes on. He fucks everything up and people kiss his nuts for some reason. I'll never understand why.

Did you ever read Legion of Three Worlds? The last page or two of final issue is pretty much what Geoff Johns thinks of you, me and other fans. That's who we are to him.

non_amos Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:18 pm

"Did you ever read Legion of Three Worlds? The last page or two of final issue is pretty much what Geoff Johns thinks of you, me and other fans. That's who we are to him."

No, I never read that but I did read about it online, at least a little about it, not really enough to really know anything however. Wasn't it supposed to be what the Legion was in the future's of Earths 1-3 respectively? Just what did Johns do exactly to piss off the fans?

Apologist Puncher Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:11 am

For those who haven't seen it yet, I present to you Conner "Bad Idea" Kent!

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thecolorsblend Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:32 am

non_amos wrote:No, I never read that but I did read about it online, at least a little about it, not really enough to really know anything however. Wasn't it supposed to be what the Legion was in the future's of Earths 1-3 respectively? Just what did Johns do exactly to piss off the fans?

Basically, Geoff Johns took a potshot at comic book fans.

10.21-22, Finale (spoilers) - Page 9 30meta

There's a page before that which is arguably even worse but I can't find a scan of it.

Anyway. Basically, Superboy-Prime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superboy-Prime), whom Johns has repeatedly referred to as "the whiny fanboy on the Internet", gets stranded on Earth-Prime (ie, the real world, our world, whatever you want to call it). After that, he lives in his parents basement and cruises the Internet all day bitching and moaning about comic book goings-on. No job, no girlfriend, no life, nothing.

Fans rightly interpreted that as a big "fuck you" from Johns. A lot of them did. But some of 'em chuckled and said "heh, he's not referring to ME lol!

". (A) Yes he is and (B) if you're not pissed off about it, you've either got no solidarity with your people or else you've got no self-respect; one of the two.

I'd understand if Johns' work had been in some way "unfairly maligned" but it hasn't been. As it goes for Superman, his mancrush on Richard Donner and STM is so huge that even Bryan Singer would say "dude, chill out, get some perspective".

The real hell of it is that LO3W hadn't been all that bad a series up to that point.

Father Finian Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:26 am

thecolorsblend wrote:But that's what Geoff Johns does. It's his move. He goes in there and shits all over established continuity.

LOL! Relax buddy, you look like you need a beer! This is Smallville. It exists in it's own universe and continuity. Martha Kent is unlike any Ma Kent I can recall! Jeez, Lois & Clark are getting married already!!

Having said that, his "JSA" episodes were highlights of the entire show......

I could care less whether the Connor Kent character is in the show or not, to be honest. What gets me is the rate all these "new" characters are being rammed into the last leg of the series. This smacks of a tie in with "Young Justice", and I still feel a lot of this is due to the producers setting up as many "spin off" possibilities as possible....(possibilities as possible, does that sound right?) No doubt, the Superman character will be off the table as soon as Smallville finishes due to the movie.

Father Finian Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:29 am

Apologist Puncher wrote:For those who haven't seen it yet, I present to you Conner "Bad Idea" Kent!

Again, it doesn't fuss me too much.....but, he really shouldn't be in his costume before we see the real Superman, surely?

That's my point, can't the remainder of the series be about Clark Kent becoming SUPERMAN?

Shit, they've spun out some other crazy ass storylines for longer!

At this rate we'll get a few episodes about rebuilding the Talon yet.......

Father Finian Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:36 am

...I wouldn't mind that T-shirt either!

......and, it's the classic \S/....Fingers crossed for the "real deal"

Father Finian Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:38 am

thecolorsblend wrote:

So that's the guy in Colorado on dial up!!!!

non_amos Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:56 am

One thing I do remember reading about Superboy-Prime/Superman-Prime was on Wikipedia where I did a search specifically for said character. I remember Prime's final fate was what you said, that he was 'living in his parent's basement', etc., etc., but that his eyes began to glow red & all of that. The actual comic I haven't read.

Now, on one hand, you can take it as a jab from Johns. However, OTOH, isn't that the STEREOTYPE of a fanboy period? Whether the fanboy be into comic books or STAR WARS or if he's a 'Trekkie', makes no difference. Isn't that the typical way that a fanboy is portrayed? The 'parent's basement' may be an exaggeration but 'still living with their parents'? Possibly? Even if they're 30 or 40? No girlfriend or wife but 'jacking off' to porn on the Internet? And no life in general? Wouldn't that be the stereotype of a fanboy?

Now, I don't know Johns' heart so I don't know if he was being 'mean-spirited' as a direct swipe at fans or if he was just trying to be humorous, being fully aware of the stereotype when he did it. It would be a really good question for someone to ask Johns at a convention or something. I do know that back in the late 80's William Shatner made a fanboy comment on SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE that was taken as offensive by STAR TREK FANBOYS at the time. I don't remember everything he said but I believe it amounted to him telling obsessive fans to 'get a life'. In Shatner's case though, I believe he was serious.

As for what Father Finian said about spin-offs, since Smallville is ending, it does make you wonder if they maybe they are planning to maybe 'spin-off Conner Kent'?! I'll have to admit that it does appear to be a possibility.

webhead2006 Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:04 am

One thing to say conner has the most easiest comics costume to translate for sv qnd looks good. I don't have much hate about the use of conner. All I hope is the story the do turns into good episode/appearance of character.

On the case of spinoffs. Man they have so many options they could go with. From solo green arrow, solo supergirl, solo superboy, jsa, losh, jl/brave and the bold teamup deal. Heck I would love if there was a spinoff to have the sv dcu universe go on for a bit longer and all that. But right now doesn't seem much of an option. Which sucks a bit, I read cw already has like 6 pilots in contention for fall season, none are dc projects.

webhead2006 Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:51 pm

Scion photos online:
www.ksitetv.com/5288/smallville-scion-images/

webhead2006 Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:34 pm

Nothing new really here
http://www.tvline.com/2011/02/ask-ausiello-spoilers-on-house-glee-gossip-girl-modern-family-supernatural-and-more/

Question: I know he’s technically dead, but any chance Davis Bloome will return to Smallville before the final episode? —Aly
Ausiello: There was talk of bringing back Doomsday’s alter ego, according to portrayer Sam Witwer. “At one point, they were thinking maybe [Davis] could come back and do something, but I don’t think they cracked how,” he reveals. “The way that they left it, it would take a bit of work to get him back into the fold. So no, I don’t think we’re going to see Davis Bloome again.” Although he hasn’t kept up with Smallville since he left, Witwer plans to catch the May 13 series finale. “I’ll tune in to see him put on the cape,” he says, “if ever he chooses to do so.”

Question: With the news that Lex and Kara will be returning to Smallville, what are the odds that Terrence Stamp will appear as Jor-El? —Nathan
Ausiello: Vegas oddsmakers put his chances of him returning in the flesh at 90-1. But here’s where things get interesting: The odds of him coming back in a strictly voiceover capacity are 2-1.

Would have been a neat idea if davis was in alt universe. Could have been a nice storyline plot to go with. But davis in rw is so not needed, though would be interesting to see if doomsday did show up again. Though that isnt likely situation. But would be nice to get a nod to his return looming in the finale.

As for jorel, i would be totally shocked if stamp doesnt voice him one last time in the finale. As for showing up in the flesh would have been neat.

webhead2006 Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:19 am

According to Anne Saunders who wrote fortune she is writing prophecy with BQM and it will now be episode 19 instead of 20:
http://twitter.com/acofell

@_Blenz_ I co-wrote "Prophecy" with Bryan Miller - it's episode 19

http://twitter.com/g3ehh

I forgot to mention! Laura V mentioned she'll be in the episode 'Prophecy'! Wooo!,Excitement! #Smallville
about 6 hours ago via TweetCaster

thecolorsblend Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:32 pm

There'll be spoilers here eventually, I'm sure.

Anyway. The Younis page posted something about a chat with Laura Vandervoort. She said she'd just finished up shooting her stuff for 10.20, Prophecy. Obviously that means Finale (Lord I hope that isn't the final title) is next. If they haven't started shooting it yet, surely they will pretty soon.

As far as promo and marketing for the series finale, I wouldn't expect to see any pics of Welling in The Suit (which I'm sure he'll wear). That's the show's moneyshot. It's what everything has been building toward for ten motherfucking years. I can't imagine they'd want to shoot their load in the press. The smarter move is to keep it under wraps as much as possible.

Anyway. Within a week, the series finale should be shooting. Since it's two episodes combined, it'll probably take 2'ish weeks to shoot so there could be some interesting spoilers in the near future.

webhead2006 Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:05 pm

Actually last few episodes been shooting out of order. The other week they shot finale pt 2 stuff. Then now its ep 20. Then its due to be ep 19 dominion, with finale pt 1 shot last. A little weird to shoot out of order. But most news said its due to scheduling/more time to work on finale pt 2 stuff. Who knows, but can't wait to see how the show wraps. I hope it will be good.

webhead2006 Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:14 pm

http://www.kryptonsite.com/news.htm
is reporting there has been a change in who will direct part one of the finale, which should be filming within the next week or so. Originally it was to be greg marshall but now will be kevin fair.

Father Finian Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:51 am

webhead2006 wrote:Actually last few episodes been shooting out of order. The other week they shot finale pt 2 stuff. Then now its ep 20. Then its due to be ep 19 dominion, with finale pt 1 shot last. A little weird to shoot out of order. But most news said its due to scheduling/more time to work on finale pt 2 stuff. Who knows, but can't wait to see how the show wraps. I hope it will be good.

Don't we all.

If they've shot the second part of the finale already that would suggest there's probably a huge amount of post production to undertake....lot's of flying effects hopefully!

Shooting out of order is fairly common though.

webhead2006 Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:17 am

New michael rosenbaum interview:
http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2011/03/smallvilles-michael-rosenbaum-on-working-with-tom-welling-again-i-had-a-tear-in-my-eye-at-the-end.html

thecolorsblend Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:54 pm

Good find, webhead. This confirms what you were talking about that at least parts of the 2nd part of finale have been shot ahead of other episodes.

Seems Rosenbaum wasn't kidding when he said he said he was doing this for the fans... and not entirely from good will, necessarily...

webhead2006 Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:02 pm

Ya I thought it was a good interview.

thecolorsblend Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:26 pm

The following Zap2It comment has led to a bit of a brough haha on both the Younis page and Zap2It.

Smallville SetMonkey wrote:He did it for the fans? What baloney. Ask someone who works on the show, he did it purely for the money. And he demanded so much money for his limited appearance that if it wasn't for Tom Welling, who sacrificed a large part of his own salary for the episode just so the show would be able to afford Rosenbaum's demands, then we wouldn't be seeing Lex at all.

You want to thank anyone, or praise anyone for 'doing it for the fans', then praise Tom. He made this happen, he pushed it through, and he put up a lot of his own cash to do it, almost his total fee for the finale in fact. Rosenbaum just cashed in for as much as he could possibly get, and didn't care where the money came from, how unreasonable it was, or how much it would damage the budget of the finale. Tom made sure that Rosembaum got his blood money, but also by sacrificing his own cash, made sure that the budget on the finale wouldn't be affected either, so nothing would have to be cut or toned back.

And that's Tom Welling in a nutshell, always doing everything possible to make the show as good as possible for the fans, and never publicizing that fact, or expecting praise for doing so. Fans of this show will never know just how much they owe his efforts over the years, but without Tom and how much he genuinely cares, and how much he has fought for the show behind the scenes, this show would have been very different, and much lesser, creation. And also would have been off the air long before now.

So Rosenbaum can bask in his pool of self-created worship, while real fans meanwhile know who the real hero behind the show truly is.

It's not like I know Rosenbaum or anything so this whole thing could be totally false or a misunderstanding or something. No idea.

That said... I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if this bullshit turned out to be true. The tone of Rosenbaum's remarks have had a bit of a condescending vibe everytime he's talked about (not) coming back to the show ever since he first left. Plus, apparently Petersouders bribed him with apparently every legal thing they could think of to get him to come back to no avail. Makes you wonder that money was the sticking point and they just couldn't afford his demands.

On the other hand, any time someone mentions meeting Tom Welling, it's usually a variation on "he's a GREAT guy, he was awesome!" or what have you. I've honestly never heard anything but good stuff about him. Ten whole years of good stuff about someone would indicate he's either a better actor than the Apologists will admit (not that they have any basis for comparison anyway) or else, gasp!, maybe he really is that cool.

It would add up, that's all I'm saying here.

webhead2006 Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:06 pm

Ya hard to know what is real or bs. Heck could just be someone who is mad at michael saying shit. Ir it could be true who knows.

thecolorsblend Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:14 pm

webhead2006 wrote:Ya hard to know what is real or bs. Heck could just be someone who is mad at michael saying shit. Ir it could be true who knows.

Well done. You have summarized the two potential outcomes of this. It's either true or it isn't. Great. Now how about you venture an opinion on the subject?

webhead2006 Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:54 pm

ok, well if its true that is a very crappy thing michael did and all that. But if its bs, then who gives a fret. The guy probably had a thing against michael.

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