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Colors, any way you can enlarge that image or make it so that if I click on it that it'll enlarge? I can't read the dialogue. Or just give me the site you pulled it from?

Interesting how 'Non' & 'Ursa' have different names here as well. Yeah, this subject is what we discussed some time ago but don't ask me on which forum exactly. But like I said before, I missed issues, gave up, whatever. What exactly happened to this Alexander Luthor? Interesting how in INFINITE CRISIS they brought back the original Alex, the one from Earth-3, who had been in 'a paradise dimension' along with Earth-2 Supes & Lois as well as Superboy-Prime. Also interesting how just before this Zod angle the Superboy of that 'pocket universe' died from what I understand, yet he was the equivalent of Superboy-Prime I believe. So why couldn't Prime be killed? And I assume the Alex of that universe died but another little point of interest is that Earth-3 Alex supposedly died at the hands of, of all things, the JOKER! But DC is so screwy now none of them probably existed.

non_amos wrote:Colors, any way you can enlarge that image or make it so that if I click on it that it'll enlarge? I can't read the dialogue. Or just give me the site you pulled it from?

Adventures of Superman #444

Interesting how 'Non' & 'Ursa' have different names here as well. Yeah, this subject is what we discussed some time ago but don't ask me on which forum exactly. But like I said before, I missed issues, gave up, whatever. What exactly happened to this Alexander Luthor? Interesting how in INFINITE CRISIS they brought back the original Alex, the one from Earth-3, who had been in 'a paradise dimension' along with Earth-2 Supes & Lois as well as Superboy-Prime. Also interesting how just before this Zod angle the Superboy of that 'pocket universe' died from what I understand, yet he was the equivalent of Superboy-Prime I believe. So why couldn't Prime be killed? And I assume the Alex of that universe died but another little point of interest is that Earth-3 Alex supposedly died at the hands of, of all things, the JOKER! But DC is so screwy now none of them probably existed.

To my understanding, Superboy-Prime and the Pocket Universe Superboy weren't the same, nor were the characters in their universes. But I was never a huge expert on either.

thecolorsblend wrote:

To my understanding, Superboy-Prime and the Pocket Universe Superboy weren't the same, nor were the characters in their universes. But I was never a huge expert on either.

What got me interested in this was I remember back during John Byrne's run, SUPERMAN #8 I believe, I'm thinking the Legion showed up or something & Superman didn't remember them! He'd never been Superboy! Supes did allude to there having been a 'Crisis' (no doubt a requirement that DC placed on Byrne as I recall he really didn't want to touch on that, at least I recall reading as much anyway in the fanzines).

I believe it was at the end of the issue that Superboy from the pocket universe showed up by traveling back through time, I assume following the Legion? Anyway, I remember Superman making the statement that even he himself was not powerful enough to time-travel & I believe 'Superboy' expressed that he was much more powerful than Superman! But somewhere along here is where I 'quit'. Came back shortly but by then, Superman was executing the criminals! So I never got the full story. Would this saga happen to be in a trade paperback that you're aware of?

non_amos wrote:thecolorsblend wrote:

To my understanding, Superboy-Prime and the Pocket Universe Superboy weren't the same, nor were the characters in their universes. But I was never a huge expert on either.

What got me interested in this was I remember back during John Byrne's run, SUPERMAN #8 I believe, I'm thinking the Legion showed up or something & Superman didn't remember them! He'd never been Superboy! Supes did allude to there having been a 'Crisis' (no doubt a requirement that DC placed on Byrne as I recall he really didn't want to touch on that, at least I recall reading as much anyway in the fanzines).

I believe it was at the end of the issue that Superboy from the pocket universe showed up by traveling back through time, I assume following the Legion? Anyway, I remember Superman making the statement that even he himself was not powerful enough to time-travel & I believe 'Superboy' expressed that he was much more powerful than Superman! But somewhere along here is where I 'quit'. Came back shortly but by then, Superman was executing the criminals! So I never got the full story. Would this saga happen to be in a trade paperback that you're aware of?

DC was publishing a Man of Steel series of trades which attempted to collect the Byrne Age piece by piece in trade. Not sure how far along it is or if the series is even still being printed. Anything other than that, I have no idea.

The basic idea though is that someone in the Legion office didn't understand the full implications of Byrne's reboot. He offered to work with them in terms of smoothing out continuity errors but, per his own account of this, was told by the Legion office that they had it all under control.

A few months after starting his run on Superman though, he got a panicked call from the LOSH office, the members of which had apparently finally been beaten with a clue-by-four. They finally understood what a Superboy-less Superman does to the LOSH continuity. Well, it was too late to put the brakes on what Byrne was doing so as a compromise he helped come up with the Pocket Universe thing.

Basically, the Pocket Universe shtick was intended to be a handy-dandy way of bringing Superboy back so as to not completely make a trainwreck out of Legion continuity while still validating Byrne's Superman as THE Superman. The idea was that the Pre-Crisis LOSH stories were still in continuity... all that had changed was that the Superboy in those stories was the Superboy of the Pocket Universe.

This is why the PU Superboy and, indeed, the entire PU itself was killed. It had served the original purpose it was created for and needed to be completely destroyed and removed from "current" continuity. All for naught, really, as it didn't do much to simplify the Legion's continuity.

However, the Supergirl Saga has the benefit of setting up basically every Superman story that went down over the next, oh, ten or so years at least. Without the Supergirl Saga, you don't have dead Phantom Zone criminals. Without them, you don't have the Exile storyline. Without that, you don't have Warworld and Mongul. Without that, you don't have Reign of the Supermen. Etc etc etc.

It also set up the Supergirl/Lex Luthor II romance in the mid-90's books. You can easily see how Supergirl would've been swept off her feet by Lex II's charms as Lex was THE hero of the Pocket Universe after that Superboy died. You can also see why Lex would want a super-powered being on his team, under his control. This is a really powerful subplot in retrospect.

Even so, all of this bullshit could EASILY have been avoided had Paul fucking Levitz grown a pair and rebooted the entire DCU after Crisis. Yeah, sure, you'd have lost a lot of shit. Dick Grayson becoming Nightwing, the entire LOSH history, Barry Allen's heroic sacrifice, blah blah blah. But you would've gained a very streamlined continuity. The Legion history would've been much simplified (and it needed to be by that point), Hawkman was a clusterfuck up until Zero Hour (and arguably beyond), so on and so forth.

But noooooooooooooo, Almighty Levitz doesn't like reboots so you had this really fucked up mix-and-match approach that has NEVER worked and WILL never work. What an overrated douche.

Anyway. Hope this helps.

Apologist Puncher wrote:
Have you read the original script for 'Superman II'? Zod & Co. are VERY violent in it, racking-up a BIG body-count.

http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/supermanii_scriptment_2_76.txt

Oh, and check THIS out! Script is dated 1976:

O.S. : SCREAMING of young children.

511ON SUPERMAN: who spins around to see why.

512HIS POV: NON, across the street, hold over his head a mini school bus, which has been converted into an evacuation vehicle, as evidenced by the sign posted on its side, the suitcases on its luggage rack. Inside the bus, about 15 children, a few nuns, a driver, scream in terror as Non rocks the bus from side to side as he holds it aloft, sending the passengers tumbling over each other.

513ON SUPERMAN:

SUPERMAN No!

514NEW ANGLE: Before he can, NON hurls the school bus at the side of a concrete building. It crashes and EXPLODES.

SUPERMAN Don't! Don't do this! Why are you doing this?

Crazy, huh?

I've remember reading that script and it was so fucked up and whoever illustrated it must have been equally screwed up in the head! But since this was illustrated in the late 70's I guess it's alittle obvious!

And as for Zod's facial I personally wouldn't mind him retaining some facial hair since that how the viewing public see's or recognize Zod in the media! And if somehow he does have any facial hair at all I hope it would aleast look like this...

Comicbookfan-V2 wrote:And as for Zod's facial I personally wouldn't mind him retaining some facial hair since that how the viewing public see's or recognize Zod in the media! And if somehow he does have any facial hair at all I hope it would aleast look like this...

Wow, for someone who hates Superman, and thinks he needs to be "modernized", you are advocating Zod look exactly the same way because "that how the viewing public recognize Zod in the media"? Really?

Hypocrisy, thy name is Comicbookfan-V2.

I never said Zod should look exactly the same as Terrance Stamp's portrayal that's the whole reason why I post that pic because he doesn't look too similar to the one we saw on "Superman II"!

First of all the viewing public hasn’t the foggiest idea who Zod is, much less than what he is suppose to look like. That is the whole problem with WB, they are trying to make a comic book movie that “they” think will be appealing to mainstream movie goers.

Instead of making a movie the fans can go nuts over and let word of mouth put butts in seats! Sort of the reverse of SR, where the word of mouth kept butts out of seats.

As for all this modernization, why don’t we just turn Zod into some sissy cupcake baker, who is pissed at Superman for breaking the sound barrier past his shop, causing his latest creation to fall.

Then we can put Superman into a bluish unitard and have his secret identity, be a male ballet dancer who never makes it through an entire audition, because he has to race off to save Lois, who is National President of PETA and is holding a spiritual at a spotted owl nest, singing Kumbaya, when corrupt oil company contractors are about to cut down the tree.

Afterward, the entire country can hold a candlelight vigil and mourn the loss of Krypton and vote to give Superman , which he can’t go by any longer because it makes lesser males feel inferior, so his new name is Guardian, a giant group hug and promise to name a street, park and grade school after him.

I am so sick of this crap. Superman is Superman leave him the hell alone!!

Comicbookfan-V2 wrote:I never said Zod should look exactly the same as Terrance Stamp's portrayal that's the whole reason why I post that pic because he doesn't look too similar to the one we saw on "Superman II"!

Doesn't it suck when your words come back to bite you in the ass?

Comicbookfan-V2 wrote:And as for Zod's facial I personally wouldn't mind him retaining some facial hair since that how the viewing public see's or recognize Zod in the media! ]

Rduce wrote:First of all the viewing public hasn’t the foggiest idea who Zod is, much less than what he is suppose to look like. That is the whole problem with WB, they are trying to make a comic book movie that “they” think will be appealing to mainstream movie goers.

Instead of making a movie the fans can go nuts over and let word of mouth put butts in seats! Sort of the reverse of SR, where the word of mouth kept butts out of seats.

As for all this modernization, why don’t we just turn Zod into some sissy cupcake baker, who is pissed at Superman for breaking the sound barrier past his shop, causing his latest creation to fall.

Then we can put Superman into a bluish unitard and have his secret identity, be a male ballet dancer who never makes it through an entire audition, because he has to race off to save Lois, who is National President of PETA and is holding a spiritual at a spotted owl nest, singing Kumbaya, when corrupt oil company contractors are about to cut down the tree.

Afterward, the entire country can hold a candlelight vigil and mourn the loss of Krypton and vote to give Superman , which he can’t go by any longer because it makes lesser males feel inferior, so his new name is Guardian, a giant group hug and promise to name a street, park and grade school after him.

I am so sick of this crap. Superman is Superman leave him the hell alone!!

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Can somebody buy this dude a beer already? Holy shit, talking about saying it all...

Here's a new video of helicopters landing with troops in Plano I assume:

http://zoncom.smugmug.com/Personal-1/Movies/Man-of-Steel/18363682_DHFqF6/1448338524_RkNmsv2/A#1448338524_RkNmsv2-A-LB

Since this isn't Youtube I'm not sure how to embed it. Anyway, you don't really see a lot but I guess anything is something. The whole 'helicopters' thing is getting the Superman 2 jokes/references on duh Internets however:

"Look! They need machines to fly!"

"Be nice to them, my dear. Blow them a kiss!"

I found this at the Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/Superman.in.2013

Just that scene there provides more action than SR did! Oh, I'm sorry SR did have a heli scene didn't it? Well, I think no matter how you feel about the trunks or no trunks this film seems to be shaping up for our Super Brawler actually gets to fight in!

non_amos wrote:Since this isn't Youtube I'm not sure how to embed it. Anyway, you don't really see a lot but I guess anything is something. The whole 'helicopters' thing is getting the Superman 2 jokes/references on duh Internets however:

For something like this, I don't think you even can embed it here. No worries.

Rduce wrote:Just that scene there provides more action than SR did! Oh, I'm sorry SR did have a heli scene didn't it?

Took me a sec to realize which scene you were referring to here. Guess it's been a while since I saw Singerman.

Well, I think no matter how you feel about the trunks or no trunks this film seems to be shaping up for our Super Brawler actually gets to fight in!

Yeah, I'm tempted to agree with that... but on the other hand, if the trunks aren't added in post (as AP and nobody else) has suggested might happen, the bar has been set VERY high. MOS better deliver the goods on EVERYTHING else.

Ya we already known snyder is giving us action we want. Hopefully the story is up to snuffbtoo. But so far minus the missing trunks everything is shaping up well.

Trunks or no trunks, I don't think there's any doubt that Snyder will deliver tons of action! Just watch WATCHMEN! And those characters had their 'altered' pleather costumes & it worked for that film. Let's just hope MOS is even more awe-inspiring! But I wonder, the whole 'Smallville' thing in Plano, if Zod knows to look for Superman there, wouldn't that expose him as Clark Kent? I mean, this ain't that ghost town in Idaho on duh planet Houston after all. And this time, Superman is present. Thoughts?

They probably go there due clark's ship is there or some other kryptonian relic. Unless they first fight in metropolis(to be shot later) and follow him to smallville if he was visiting his parents. Maybe he meets zod/faoroa before he learns of his full kryptonian history and and potential jorel/lara meeting via hologram.

Rduce wrote:Just that scene there provides more action than SR did! Oh, I'm sorry SR did have a heli scene didn't it? Well, I think no matter how you feel about the trunks or no trunks this film seems to be shaping up for our Super Brawler actually gets to fight in!

Dude, this PICTURE alone implies more action than Singerman had:


Cavill looks ready to whoop some ass.

BJ's "toughest" look?:


He looks like someone told him "Try to look mad, ok BJ? Uh,....BJ?"

BJ Routh sucks.

I'm thinking out loud here. What's up with Cavill's thighs?! I mean, I know the guy worked out & all but what's with the TOM PLATZ thighs?! AP probably knows who I'm talking about but for those who don't, he was this short dude I used to see in the bodybuilding mags back in the early 80's. I have no idea what ever became of him & don't want to google right now but the point is, the guy was a freaking QUADZILLA! I almost believe he was even called that but I may be wrong, it's been so long. Anyway, the dude's 'quads' were so humongous & ripped it looked abnormal almost! Especially when other guys were lacking in that department. But when I saw these pics of Cavill, it made me think of Tom Platz! Oh, I'm sure he's probably not that big but maybe a 'lite' version? But I guess we also have to ask if that really is his leg muscles? I personally would like to have the lowdown. Maybe now Snyder will let Cavill give details about his training? I get tired of reading duh apologists say that 'Cavill has fake muscles'!

I do indeed know who Tom Platz is, and his legs were a freak of nature:



Yes, he had some "performance enhancers" to get to that point, but it's still NO walk-in-the-park to get that big. I can leg-press 1,200lbs, and my thighs look NOTHING like that. Cavill's are definitely impressive though.

And all the idiots I see saying "duh cavill were duh mussle suite" can go choke on a bag of dicks.

They OBVIOUSLY know nothing about the human body, and even LESS about body building. Do these morons not realize that before shooting scenes in the suit, Cavill will try to get a "pump" to make his mucles as big as possible? You know, something Singer obviously neglected when it came to BJ Routh? Do these same morons think that when they are stroking it to WWE wrestlers, that they look like that all the time? Sorry, they don't. They ALSO "pump up" before they head out to the ring.

I find it funny that the people whining the most were "fans" of an actor PROVEN to have worn a muscle suit. The irony is NOT lost on ME.

Totally ap I may not know alot on body building but when you are relaxed doesn't it loosen you muscles and not make them so define. Unles you are jacked like dude above. And other stuff.

webhead2006 wrote:Totally ap I may not know alot on body building but when you are relaxed doesn't it loosen you muscles and not make them so define.

Here's a few video demonstrations I found. This is called the "pump room", and they have them on movie sets, behind the scenes at WWE events, and bodybuilding competitions:

Unles you are jacked like dude above. And other stuff.

Even the guy in the picture above pumped-up before they took that picture.

No no ap I get the whole pre pump up thing. Iwas talking more about like for folks who are less jacked. When they are in relax state and not flexing muscles they dont look as big or defined as they would be flexing and all that right.

webhead2006 wrote:No no ap I get the whole pre pump up thing. Iwas talking more about like for folks who are less jacked. When they are in relax state and not flexing muscles they dont look as big or defined as they would be flexing and all that right.

It's the same for everyone with muscles.

Which is everyone.

Apologist Puncher wrote:I find it funny that the people whining the most were "fans" of an actor PROVEN to have worn a muscle suit. The irony is NOT lost on ME.

Absolutely.

But let's run with that though. Let's say for argument's sake that Cavill is wearing a muscle suit.

So what? Seriously. You know? Of all people, the frickin Apologists have NO right to complain or criticize. Zero! Realists would be at perfect liberty to criticize (I'll come back to this) but the Apologists lost ALL credibility a LONG time ago. They backed an "actor" who looks, walks and talks NOTHING like Superman. It's a little late now to turn around and criticize some other actor when Blandon BJ was at least twice as bad.

Realists? We're at liberty to make these criticisms. But that doesn't mean said criticisms need to be made. Michael Keaton is MY live action Batman. Everybody else is but a footnote. An also-ran. Keaton was in decent shape, I guess, for the role but he didn't look as physically powerful as some of his replacements. What sells me on him as Batman is his performance. He looks driven and just slightly 'round the twist. And guys, that's who Batman is. When you strip all else away, Batman has a hell of a lot more in common with Michael Keaton than he does, say, Val Kilmer. It's as simple as that.

Cavill may or may not find himself in the same place. He MAY not be the perfect physical specimen to play Superman. I honestly don't know either way (although the SDCC era pics tell me he's been working out LAMF, whatever that's worth). But one thing NOBODY will likely be able to argue when all's said and done is that he can't play the part convincingly.

BJ didn't look right, couldn't act his way out of a paper bag and had all the charisma of a 2x4. If I was a superhero, I wouldn't follow him to a fucking PICNIC, much less into a battle against supervillains.

Of all people, Apologists need to sit back and have a nice, warm glass of STFU; the adults are steering the ship now, motherfuckers. Apologists need not apply.