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This is allegedly a "sneak peek poster" (whatever the hell that is). However, it's looks obviously fake to me. There's a shitload of movie credits missing from it. I would imagine the credits either wouldn't be there at all or else they'd be there in their entirety (as they exist right now anyway). But I doubt you'd have the incomplete credits this "poster" shows.

I feel confident that a poster wouldn't link to a Chris Nolan fansite.

But beyond even that? Dude, that looks a LOT like the Singerman chest emblem to me.

It's like people have no filter anymore.

Totally fake missing credits, wrong date, the s symbol isn't even the right one. But the way it looks is a nice look for a teaser poster. If it was real. Also the link there on poster is to a fan site, and if real would have had the offical wb mos site.

Yea, a fake, the guy in the picture doesn't even look like our Brit..Looks more like David Schwimmer...

webhead2006 wrote:Totally fake missing credits, wrong date, the s symbol isn't even the right one. But the way it looks is a nice look for a teaser poster. If it was real. Also the link there on poster is to a fan site, and if real would have had the offical wb mos site.

In other words... everything I've already pointed out.

webhead2006 wrote:MAN OF STEEL: Open Casting Call & Official Synopsis

Incidentally, this has been posted on the Eunuch page. Truth to tell, I'm kind of surprised. I mean, the announcement wasn't put up on craigslist or anything so I'm surprised Eunuch bought into this.

I'm a little concerned about the plot for this film. I'm not saying it's bad or anything, it just sounds too much like SMALLVILLE to me. I'll explain.

I don't remember exactly which season but I'm pretty sure it was one of the first three seasons, the point being, when Clark, via the ship (I think), gained the ability to 'decipher' what the Kryptonian language was saying, I remember him telling Jonathan that he'd been sent TO CONQUER. Now fast-forward to the current plot synopsis for the reboot. Is Superman gonna become the 'beacon of hope' or is he gonna 'divide & conquer' with Zod? Now back-track to just recently ended seasons of Smallville. First we had the 'phantom' of Zod possessing people like Lex, then we saw a CGI Terrance Stamp. But then we had Zod's CLONE, who basically tried to 'befriend' Clark in an effort to get him to join him, although he was wanting Clark's power also. Nevertherless we had a Zod who was trying to convince Clark to join him. Now go back to MOS. Do you see where I'm going with this?!

Thoughts?

Oh I get that from follks too thinking they will rehash things sv did in its run. But there is many different directions things can go. And with this synopsis its just a basic outline of film. Also also to point out I don't believe wb has even confirmed it to be real(though likely is).

non_amos wrote:I'm a little concerned about the plot for this film. I'm not saying it's bad or anything, it just sounds too much like SMALLVILLE to me. I'll explain.

I don't remember exactly which season but I'm pretty sure it was one of the first three seasons, the point being, when Clark, via the ship (I think), gained the ability to 'decipher' what the Kryptonian language was saying, I remember him telling Jonathan that he'd been sent TO CONQUER. Now fast-forward to the current plot synopsis for the reboot. Is Superman gonna become the 'beacon of hope' or is he gonna 'divide & conquer' with Zod? Now back-track to just recently ended seasons of Smallville. First we had the 'phantom' of Zod possessing people like Lex, then we saw a CGI Terrance Stamp. But then we had Zod's CLONE, who basically tried to 'befriend' Clark in an effort to get him to join him, although he was wanting Clark's power also. Nevertherless we had a Zod who was trying to convince Clark to join him. Now go back to MOS. Do you see where I'm going with this?!

Thoughts?

Yes I do. Not trying to detract from your other points but here goes. Maybe it's an interpretive thing but I thought the hope/conquer bit in MOS was public perception moreso than Superman's self-perceived conflict.

As to your other items, yeah, you could have a point there.

Here's something else I've thought of in relation to this. It seems possible that the film may follow the 'public doesn't trust the hero' angle, unlike the Reeve films. You've stated that Superman is the one hero who should get a 'pass' on this & I agree. However, because of the whole 'realism' angle, they're probably going with the 'alien in our midst' concept, which, to tell you the truth, if aliens really did land here in real life, we wouldn't trust them either! We'd probably try to blow them out of the sky! So I think it's possible they're gonna at least use something along these lines, especially pertaining to Zod & Faora. But since 'Kal-El' is like them too, he may get lumped in with them.

It's been stated that the MILITARY is gonna have a heavy presence in this film. Common sense even dictates if Zod & Faora were treated like an invasion, then the governments of the world wouldn't just 'wimp up' like they did in SUPERMAN 2 & allow Zod to take over. They'd put up a fight, even if it was futile! They'd try to nuke 'em, even if it didn't work. They'd try to find some Kryptonite. Something! That's one problem I have with Superman 2. Not only did the US government 'get on its' knees' for Zod, they also didn't try to use Kryptonite. Now why is it that the bad guys will use K on Supes & the writers use it like a crutch, yet somehow no one thought to use it on Zod in the entire film?!

Something else. In S2, we had Zod 'trying to kill the son of our jailer!' But at the end, in the Fortress, he implored Supes to join them, if I'm not mistaken, without having to go watch it again. Anyway, the battle ensued when Supes refused & we got the 'psyche game'. Then Supes was gonna be his slave, forever! But enough of that! The point concerning MOS? Well, I see Zod possibly imploring Supes to join him but not necessarily waiting until the end of the film to do it. Possibly early on like we recently saw with Zod's 'clone' on SV. Obviously there will be some epic battles & all but Zod may be persistent in his efforts to 'convert' Kal-El.

Visualize this. When the military is fighting Zod & Faora, they take some 'pot-shots' at Superman also. I picture this as being one of those moments that Zod may try to win Supes over to his side.

"See Kal-El?! They're trying to destroy you just like they're trying to destroy us! They're not your friends. Come! Let us crush them like insects!"

A made-up quote from Zod I know but you get the point? And even if Superman is not really 'torn between 2 lovers', the public may perceive him to be.

non_amos wrote:Here's something else I've thought of in relation to this. It seems possible that the film may follow the 'public doesn't trust the hero' angle, unlike the Reeve films. You've stated that Superman is the one hero who should get a 'pass' on this & I agree. However, because of the whole 'realism' angle, they're probably going with the 'alien in our midst' concept, which, to tell you the truth, if aliens really did land here in real life, we wouldn't trust them either! We'd probably try to blow them out of the sky! So I think it's possible they're gonna at least use something along these lines, especially pertaining to Zod & Faora. But since 'Kal-El' is like them too, he may get lumped in with them.

Logical enough, I'd say.

It's been stated that the MILITARY is gonna have a heavy presence in this film. Common sense even dictates if Zod & Faora were treated like an invasion, then the governments of the world wouldn't just 'wimp up' like they did in SUPERMAN 2 & allow Zod to take over. They'd put up a fight, even if it was futile! They'd try to nuke 'em, even if it didn't work. They'd try to find some Kryptonite. Something! That's one problem I have with Superman 2. Not only did the US government 'get on its' knees' for Zod, they also didn't try to use Kryptonite. Now why is it that the bad guys will use K on Supes & the writers use it like a crutch, yet somehow no one thought to use it on Zod in the entire film?!

I can only agree. My best guess is that "the President" in Superman II was basically Jimmy Carter. I find it hard to easy to believe he and his ilk would kowtow that easily.

But the American public, esp back then... no. The revolt in Metropolis is the least Zod could expect. Yeah, sure, absent Superman, he'd almost certainly win in the end but I've always suspected it would come about only after wiping out more or less every man, woman and child in North America. Yeah, he'd win but he'd be the king of a garbage heap rather than a ruler of men. People, esp those in the south, would not so easily submit... esp if they thought Superman would be along any second to lend a hand.

Something else. In S2, we had Zod 'trying to kill the son of our jailer!' But at the end, in the Fortress, he implored Supes to join them, if I'm not mistaken, without having to go watch it again. Anyway, the battle ensued when Supes refused & we got the 'psyche game'. Then Supes was gonna be his slave, forever!

Not to derail this thing but he first tried to persuade Jor-El in STM to join him and, failing that, then threatened Jor-El, saying both he and his heir would kneel before Zod. He didn't make Superman a similar offer. Basically he tried to intimidate Superman into surrendering on pain of killing millions.

And lookie here, Superman never even blinked. He just came up with a way to win. Again, I agree with you about the above; humans would fight to the last man if they had to.

But enough of that! The point concerning MOS? Well, I see Zod possibly imploring Supes to join him but not necessarily waiting until the end of the film to do it. Possibly early on like we recently saw with Zod's 'clone' on SV. Obviously there will be some epic battles & all but Zod may be persistent in his efforts to 'convert' Kal-El.

Visualize this. When the military is fighting Zod & Faora, they take some 'pot-shots' at Superman also. I picture this as being one of those moments that Zod may try to win Supes over to his side.

"See Kal-El?! They're trying to destroy you just like they're trying to destroy us! They're not your friends. Come! Let us crush them like insects!"

A made-up quote from Zod I know but you get the point? And even if Superman is not really 'torn between 2 lovers', the public may perceive him to be.

I really hope not. I for one am tired of Zod being humanized and sympathetic. You know? What's wrong with the guy simply being EVIL? I don't want to identify with Zod, I want to watch him kick some ass and then I want Superman to kick his ass. In your hypothetical scenario, yeah, Zod's still a twisted fuck but he at least has sort of a leg to stand on. I truly hope Snyder doesn't go this route because, as you say, it's somewhat derivative of SV and it's also old hat now given how the comics have treated him these recent years.

thecolorsblend wrote:

Not to derail this thing but he first tried to persuade Jor-El in STM to join him and, failing that, then threatened Jor-El, saying both he and his heir would kneel before Zod. He didn't make Superman a similar offer. Basically he tried to intimidate Superman into surrendering on pain of killing millions.

Ya know what, you're right. Even though I've seen Superman 2 countless times, I haven't watched it recently. Apparently I was getting Zod's speech to Jor-El at the beginning of Superman: the Movie confused with what I was thinking was his 'offer' at the end of S2. My bad. And yeah, I know Superman had a plan so he didn't flinch & then went through with his pretense of surrendering to Zod but what if he didn't have a 'Plan B'? Would he still have surrendered so quickly just to 'save millions'? Now I'm not suggesting he'd just let them perish but I don't think he'd just 'give up' like that either. That would almost sound like a bully (Zod) threatening another kid (Superman) with 'give me your lunch money or I'm gonna beat you up!' That's about how the US government reacted in S2. I wouldn't expect the true Superman to react like that.

As for how Zod will be portrayed? Let's hope Snyder doesn't emulate SV too much. Let this film 'be its' own animal' so to speak, stand on its' own 2 legs. But get this. The other day over at duh Homopage when I was reading some of their crap comments, some derp whined, "I bet Zod won't even have a beard!" *SIGH*! Hopefully they'll adapt Zod like in the original comics & he won't look like Terrance Stamp! He certainly didn't in the comics! He had a more 'military' look to him & like we've discussed before, maybe that's the way Michael Shannon needs to play the part? Add a little 'Nazi' edge to him, like with the RED SKULL in the recent Cap film. Present the General like that & we could have a winner. But as usual, this apologist is concerned that it won't 'ape' Terrance Stamp?! Is this a true Superman fan? You tell me!

non_amos wrote:As for how Zod will be portrayed? Let's hope Snyder doesn't emulate SV too much. Let this film 'be its' own animal' so to speak, stand on its' own 2 legs. But get this. The other day over at duh Homopage when I was reading some of their crap comments, some derp whined, "I bet Zod won't even have a beard!" *SIGH*!

Let's hope not. In fact, to me, it would bug me if he DID have facial hair.

Why?

Because military men are usually so disciplined that facial hair goes against everything they are taught. How many active military men and women do you see sporting a beard or goatee? None you say? High & Tight all the way?

Exactly.

Or does Krypton have the SAME military ranks as the Planet Earth, but are just not hip to that whole discipline thing?

But as usual, this apologist is concerned that it won't 'ape' Terrance Stamp?! Is this a true Superman fan? You tell me!

non_amos wrote:As for how Zod will be portrayed? Let's hope Snyder doesn't emulate SV too much.

Agreed. One beef I had with the season 9 Zod was how OFF the guy seemed. As AP mentioned, you'd expect a guy who'd made it that high up in the chain of command to be a lot more buttoned down. But Zod that season seemed, I dunno, unstable.

Let this film 'be its' own animal' so to speak, stand on its' own 2 legs. But get this. The other day over at duh Homopage when I was reading some of their crap comments, some derp whined, "I bet Zod won't even have a beard!" *SIGH*! Hopefully they'll adapt Zod like in the original comics & he won't look like Terrance Stamp! He certainly didn't in the comics! He had a more 'military' look to him & like we've discussed before, maybe that's the way Michael Shannon needs to play the part? Add a little 'Nazi' edge to him, like with the RED SKULL in the recent Cap film. Present the General like that & we could have a winner. But as usual, this apologist is concerned that it won't 'ape' Terrance Stamp?! Is this a true Superman fan? You tell me!

Keep in mind that a lot fans only know Superman and the mythos from the movies. In and of itself, that's not especially bad but it becomes troublesome when that becomes the sole metric by which you judge the success, failure or general fidelity of any other adaptation. The Ruby-Spears Superman animated series used the Williams march for the opening credit sequence but was otherwise its own thing. It's a good adaptation even if it has little in common with the movies.

Kind of burns me up, actually, that some blowhard on a message board has seen the movies a bunch and thinks he knows how the characters "ought" to be.

As far as portrayals go, Shannon is a badass. There's simply no two ways about it. I've seen Boardwalk Empire (which is worth watching no matter what, incidentally; cool little show) and he gets the job done in a big bad way. Don't fuck with him.

That said... his portrayal of that character in Boardwalk Empire doesn't immediately bring Zod to mind for me. Moreover, the interviews I've seen with the guy, he has a distinct East Coast vibe to him. His accent and his look just seem "East" to me. I AM NOT BASHING ON THE GUY. I'm just noting some observations I've made. The guy is an actor so I assume he's got the ability to change his accent and speech patterns to serve a particular character. He's already DONE that with Nelson on BE. Nelson's speech and accent differ noticeably from Shannon's natural voice and accent.

My point is that in casting Michael Shannon, we already know we'll get a Zod very different from Terrence Stamp. And folks, I'm perfectly fine with that. It'll ruffle a lot of Apologists, but that's just gravy as far as I'm concerned.

Here's Shannon in '8 Mile':


I also caught this on IFC not too long ago, and it's a pretty interesting little film:

The Missing Person(2009)


If this guy has any shortcomings, RANGE isn't one of them.....

Three things.

01- The reservation isn't so much range. The guy's resumé speaks for itself. How the hell am I going to criticize it? I believe I've seen enough of his work to respect him and his abilities as a performer. He's already covered a LOT of ground just from Boardwalk Empire. The simple fact of the matter is that there aren't very many actors out there who can do the stuff Shannon does. Maybe it's "presence". Or his "voice". I dunno, I'm just saying I'd get a decidedly East Coast vibe off him. Such a thing could be distracting if he's playing Zod.

02- None of that is to be seen as a criticism of the guy. The guy probably shows more talent just in one of his rehearsals than BJ The Bartender has shown in the entirety of his "career".

03- The Missing Person looks unspeakably bad ass. It definitely addresses a lot of the above and I'm definitely going to watch it. Plus, I like Amy Ryan anyway.

EDIT- Unrelated to the above, I once again must express admiration for how many Oscar winners and/or nominees are in MOS. As ever, the one thing that movie isn't going to suffer from is lousy acting.

thecolorsblend wrote:

Maybe it's "presence". Or his "voice". I dunno, I'm just saying I'd get a decidedly East Coast vibe off him. Such a thing could be distracting if he's playing Zod.

Well, the Kryptonians in the Reeve films spoke with noticeably British accents, probably because they were British, but why didn't they try to change their accents like other actors do now? Terrance Stamp and Sarah Douglas both talked like that. Jack O'Halloran is American as far as I know but he just grunted anyway. Even Kal_El's mother Lara had the accent, especially when trying to say things like 'the Phantom Zone'. Even that kid that Non killed in the TV version of S2 had a British accent & was supposed to have been from the Mid-west!

I know very little about Shannon but from what I've seen, he'll probably pull off being Zod. And won't sound British or Yankee.

Personally looks like I would like clean shaven zod myself. But wouldn't be mad if he had some sort of facial hair.

non_amos wrote:And won't sound British or Yankee.

Nope, he'll sound BAD. ASS.

Apologist Puncher wrote:The Missing Person(2009)

Watching this now. Pretty good so far.

I still havent seen alot of his work myself, with netflix i should try seeing if they got any of his stuff on instant stream. Would like to get more familar with his work/skills. But ya he should do a killing as zod. Cant wait to see what type of direction he is taking the character.

^ Killing. Hm.

Y'know, there was a three part story from the Byrne Age back in 1980's. The Supergirl Saga. The basic gist of it is that Alexander Luthor from an alternate universe brought Superman to said alternate universe to fight Zod, Quex-Ul and Zaora.

Anyway. Up to this point, rogue Kryptonians had always been portrayed in a certain way. In Superman II, you saw the baddies tear up a small, POS town in Idaho, wreck shop on the White House and then put Metropolis through a wind tunnel. But all in all? Nothing major.

But The Supergirl Saga showed us just how truly fucked the human race would be if a Kryptonian ever went on a tear without Superman around to slap 'em down. Obsoive:



The animals even destroyed a school full of small children! That may be over the line for a Superman movie, admittedly, but there should be some sort of indicator that Superman is literally the one thing standing between Zod and total annihilation. Zod and co. should do stuff more intense than lame stuff (by modern standards) like blowing a flame thrower back on itself. When he shows up some place, people need to rightly shit their pants.

that is wicked evil there.

Well, in an interview back in may Snyder promised that his Superman movie would be the most realistic Superman movie EVER, I guess we will see.

ha i remember that interview and then folks freaking out, thinking oh no nolan is going to make superman ultra realistic like they did with batman. Which wouldnt work at all with who/what superman is at all. If i recall what snyder meant in that interview was about his approach to filming ie location shoots, and real filming stuff. Compared to most of his other films being mostly cgi/green screened stuff.

thecolorsblend wrote:^ Killing. Hm.

Y'know, there was a three part story from the Byrne Age back in 1980's. The Supergirl Saga. The basic gist of it is that Alexander Luthor from an alternate universe brought Superman to said alternate universe to fight Zod, Quex-Ul and Zaora.

Anyway. Up to this point, rogue Kryptonians had always been portrayed in a certain way. In Superman II, you saw the baddies tear up a small, POS town in Idaho, wreck shop on the White House and then put Metropolis through a wind tunnel. But all in all? Nothing major.

But The Supergirl Saga showed us just how truly fucked the human race would be if a Kryptonian ever went on a tear without Superman around to slap 'em down. Obsoive:

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The animals even destroyed a school full of small children! That may be over the line for a Superman movie, admittedly, but there should be some sort of indicator that Superman is literally the one thing standing between Zod and total annihilation. Zod and co. should do stuff more intense than lame stuff (by modern standards) like blowing a flame thrower back on itself. When he shows up some place, people need to rightly shit their pants.

Have you read the original script for 'Superman II'? Zod & Co. are VERY violent in it, racking-up a BIG body-count.

http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/supermanii_scriptment_2_76.txt

Oh, and check THIS out! Script is dated 1976:

O.S. : SCREAMING of young children.

511ON SUPERMAN: who spins around to see why.

512HIS POV: NON, across the street, hold over his head a mini school bus, which has been converted into an evacuation vehicle, as evidenced by the sign posted on its side, the suitcases on its luggage rack. Inside the bus, about 15 children, a few nuns, a driver, scream in terror as Non rocks the bus from side to side as he holds it aloft, sending the passengers tumbling over each other.

513ON SUPERMAN:

SUPERMAN No!

514NEW ANGLE: Before he can, NON hurls the school bus at the side of a concrete building. It crashes and EXPLODES.

SUPERMAN Don't! Don't do this! Why are you doing this?

Crazy, huh?