Re: Geoff Johns And Jim Lee Promise "ShitBomb Announcements" For "Superman" At DC

non_amos Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:30 am

There's just not too much that Marvel or DC put out that I'm very interested in. The reboots, the fucking endless "crossover events", etc, it's a fucking MESS. If I didn't know better, I'd swear the people involved were determined to kill their own industry.

Which brings up a point I believe was made somewhere in the recent past, possibly even duh Homopage, but the point was this. Back in the 80's we had CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS, a true classic if there ever was one! Earth-shattering (literally), life & death (even heroes), the works. But here's the problem. The 'kids' who grew up reading 'Crisis' are now grown up & some of them are working for DC, so they came out with INFINITE CRISIS. A crisis to undo the Crisis, if you will, because they didn't like certain 'changes', so they sought to change it back, with a multiverse again, etc. But now it seems like they have to reboot with the frequency that they change their socks or something. And now I guess these morons feel like they can change the characters themselves also. It's like the kids back then cried 'foul' & now that some of them are in a position to actually do something about it, they are, but not for the good, if you ask me. And this continual patronizing the comics do to Nolan & Donner has simply got to go!

You're right. They'll probably work themselves right out of jobs! Sad day indeed!

webhead2006 Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:58 am

I do really hope it wont be the costume for the reboot. Really snyder should/probably was able to do his choose for costume and I aam sure he would want to do classic look. As for this new comic look who even knows how long it would/could last to its likely changed down the road again.

non_amos Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:07 am

webhead2006 wrote:I do really hope it wont be the costume for the reboot. Really snyder should/probably was able to do his choose for costume and I aam sure he would want to do classic look. As for this new comic look who even knows how long it would/could last to its likely changed down the road again.

Yeah, remember 'ELECTRIC SUPERMAN'? Not only did he have a new costume but new powers! I didn't follow that crapola but obviously they went back to 'classic'. It's like they say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it! But yeah, I hope for our sakes that this ain't the reason for the lack of film news, as in Snyder being told to 'hold off' for the moment so that they can tie the whole thing in. Someone on duh Homopage did accuse DC of pulling 'publicity stunts' even with these latest developments, just like all the other stunts they've pulled over the years. I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

Here's a concern I have. They're talking about 'Superman's NEW origin'. Just what does that mean exactly? Let me guess. Duh heirs have the 'rights' to KRYPTON or some such, I assume? So what now then? Is Superman from the same planet as MON-EL?! Or some such? A way for DC to 'side-step' duh heirs, about like with the costume?! And what's this about LOIS LANE?! No 'marriage' anymore & even sounding like 'Superman' (if you can call him that) hooking up with WONDER WOMAN?! Didn't John Byrne already explore that years ago?! But let me guess. Duh heirs have rights to Lois as well?

So what do we get exactly? A new Superman with a new suit, a new origin, possibly no Lois, etc.?

IS THAT SUPERMAN?! Proud

thecolorsblend Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:55 am

non_amos wrote:Yeah, remember 'ELECTRIC SUPERMAN'? Not only did he have a new costume but new powers! I didn't follow that crapola but obviously they went back to 'classic'. It's like they say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it! But yeah, I hope for our sakes that this ain't the reason for the lack of film news, as in Snyder being told to 'hold off' for the moment so that they can tie the whole thing in. Someone on duh Homopage did accuse DC of pulling 'publicity stunts' even with these latest developments, just like all the other stunts they've pulled over the years. I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

The difference between this and the electric Superman thing was that the latter was never intended to be permanent. It was just a story they wanted to tell and it was a chance to do a more modern version of Superman Red/Superman Blue.

This new thing... although I have my doubts it'll last long, it seems the stated intent is for this to become the new status quo.

Big difference.

Here's a concern I have. They're talking about 'Superman's NEW origin'. Just what does that mean exactly? Let me guess. Duh heirs have the 'rights' to KRYPTON or some such, I assume? So what now then? Is Superman from the same planet as MON-EL?! Or some such? A way for DC to 'side-step' duh heirs, about like with the costume?! And what's this about LOIS LANE?! No 'marriage' anymore & even sounding like 'Superman' (if you can call him that) hooking up with WONDER WOMAN?! Didn't John Byrne already explore that years ago?! But let me guess. Duh heirs have rights to Lois as well?

So what do we get exactly? A new Superman with a new suit, a new origin, possibly no Lois, etc.?

IS THAT SUPERMAN?!

And to me, that stuff right up there is what's crucial. How much of this is being influenced by the Siegel stuff?

The Apologists who have championed the Siegels through out this mess had better shut the fuck up because I don't want to hear ONE WORD of complaint from them. Those assholes are only getting what they asked for.

As for Superman and Wonder Woman, people have been pushing that for years. I have no idea why. "Wonder Woman can match Superman, he'd be into her". Maybe so, but the only incarnation I'm really familiar with is an aloof, distant outsider. Superman was raised as a human among humans and regards himself as human (biology aside). On that basis alone, they have little or nothing in common.

But, like I said, the Apologists are just getting what they asked for. As with Singerman, they once again back the wrong horse; no tradebacks now, bitches.

EDIT- Something else. If you'd asked me even a few weeks ago, I would've said that if DC lost any significant amount of Superman rights, they'd simply retire the character and effectively replace him in the DCU either with Captain Marvel or with Mon-El. One of those two would at least be positioned to take Superman's place as The Man in the DCU. I never saw this aspect coming.

webhead2006 Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:41 pm

Ya I am sure if enough negative response on the suit change it will change back to something more normal. Like any of those other times like red/blue/black costume and all that. Personally I would be to huffy on it if the trunks where there and a lower neckline collar. I do like the s shield. As for origin hopefully there will be krypton and what not. Dc does retain certain krypton stuff and kryptonite and all right. Lois hopefully she will play into things and they just have maybe superman/ww/lois triangle for stupid drama for a bit but tuen he ultomately chooses lois.

I was just reading some more stuff about the whole dcu revamp there will be 52 titles in this some of which are a new teen titans, bop, jl, aquaman, jsa, and solo superman/ww/batman. also I read looks like grant morrison will be headlining the writing duties for the solo superman book, how do you guys feel about that?

non_amos Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:24 am

Hey get this! Here's 'Dan DiDio's Open Letter to Comic Book Fans':

https://www.facebook.com/notes/dan-didio/an-open-letter-to-the-fans/224219014258093

An open letter to the fans....
by Dan DiDio on Wednesday, June 1, 2011 at 6:44pm

Folks, as you wonder and wait for the new series announcements to unfold, I just wanted to let you know that we are spending an extraordinary amount of time and energy to reinvigorate our line of characters and bring the best books possible for the widest audience possible. Sorry if anyone is feeling disenfranchised, especially since that's not the intent. Quite the opposite, we are trying to create a place and story where older fans can point for new fans to start, whether in periodical, graphic novel or digital. A place where everyone can share in the excitement of the DC Universe.

As the saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, and there are a lot of great things that don't need fixing. But we are also saying that will not stand ideally by and let series run on inertia and let the industry fade around us. All of us here at DC love the form and the characters way too much for that.

Tomorrow we begin filling you in on all the excitement we have planned, plenty of real news to talk about and its time for everyone to join in the fun.

best, DD

I found this at duh Homopage:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=9860#comments

I guess DiDio expects us to swallow this crap 'hook, line, & sinker'. So far the comments don't seem to be too favorable at Facebook, at least what I glanced at. Even though duh Homopage currently has only a few comments, there seems to be discontent. And I believe the biggest concern is SUPERMAN!

Like Jim Croce once sang, "You don't step on Superman's cape!" But it's probably wishful thinking to think that DC might change its' mind?!

webhead2006 Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:56 am

Ya sounds like he is trying to save face. Hopefully what ever changes are not to dramatically changing to all characters. Though like costumes if enough people complain about things we could hopefully see things change sooner rather then later. But since this stuff is already in the works. Fans will probably have to deal with the crap for like 6months or so.

These are times I hate when companies do these things. Also why I enjoy marvel cureently. Sure I was mad when they did the mirrage wipe out to spidey. But most stuff since then I have enjoyed. So for me personally I am more happy with where marvel is.

Apologist Puncher Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:50 pm

non_amos wrote:

Folks, as you wonder and wait for the new series announcements to unfold, I just wanted to let you know that we are spending an extraordinary amount of time and energy to reinvigorate our line of characters and bring the best books possible for the widest audience possible. Sorry if anyone is feeling disenfranchised, especially since that's not the intent. Quite the opposite, we are trying to create a place and story where older fans can point for new fans to start, whether in periodical, graphic novel or digital. A place where everyone can share in the excitement of the DC Universe.

Yes, Mr. Didio, you are doing this for the "older fans", right? By completely SHITTING all over a characters look for no good reason? Except for the obvious, which you will NEVER admit to. So please Mr. Didio, pray tell, how is this for the "older readers"?

I find it funny that he is claiming to do this because less people are reading comics, but is going to LOSE the few they already have! I truly hope they believe that this stupid re-design, which is going to cause casual Superman fans to rant to their kids, thereby defeating the purpose, will work out for the best.

I truly do.

non_amos Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:34 am

The crapola just keeps a-coming:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=9861#comments

June 2, 2011: DC Comics Announces Printed/Digital Combo Packs
Justice League #1 With the announcement earlier this week of the relaunch of the DC Universe in September, DC Comics also announced that digital versions of their comic books would be releases the same day as their printed counterparts. Today DC Comics revealed that they'll be releasing combo packs, which will allow readers to enjoy both the printed and digital versions for one small price.

Those who want a physical copy of JUSTICE LEAGUE to read and collect, as well as the ability to download it onto their favorite device for easy transport, get ready. Each print edition of the comic book and an individual code for digital download will be wrapped in a poly bag and available for $4.99. Separately, the standard version will retail for $3.99 and the digital version will retail for $3.99.

"As we continue to expand our readership and make our titles more accessible to readers everywhere, we're excited to provide our comic shop retail partners and their consumers with multiple formats of JUSTICE LEAGUE in one convenient place," said John Rood, EVP Sales, Marketing and Business Development.

Not only will Johns and Lee be collaborating for the first time, but their contemporary take on the origin of the comic book industry's premier superhero team will be available in DC Comics' historic first comic book combo pack.

Both digital and print editions of DC's comics will have parity pricing for the first four weeks of release; thereafter, the digital titles drop in price down to our standard 1.99 digital price point. Oversized issues, including JUSTICE LEAGUE #1, will start at $3.99 and drop to $2.99 after four weeks.

In a letter to comic book retailers DC's Bob Wayne explained...

To clarify from my last note, we will be at "price-parity" for same-day digital. No DC digital comic will be cheaper than its physical counterpart at launch. Same-day (a.k.a. "Day/Date") parity pricing is for the first four weeks of release; thereafter, the digital titles will follow our standard pricing, with $2.99 comics dropping in price to $1.99, $3.99 comics dropping in price to $2.99, and so forth. Keep in mind that our goal with our 52 new #1s will be to ensure that the physical comic book is more compelling than ever!

"Justice League #1" will hit shelves on August 31, with the new (post-Flashpoint) DC Universe titles being released in September.

· Steve Younis on June 2, 2011 7:18pm EST· 12 Comments · 431 Reads ·Print

How about a quote from Eunuch himself?:

#5 | Steve Younis on June 2, 2011 9:23pm EST
The price will STILL be $2.99 for most regular comics. JL #1 will be $3.99 because it has more pages than a regular comic.

I'm seriously thinking about going digital myself. If you don't want to pay $2.99 for your regular digital comic books, you can always wait 4 weeks and buy them for $1.99.

Going digital will save me money in the long run. No more comic bags, boards and boxes.

Uh, excuse me, Mr. Eunuch, but ain't part of the point of 'COMIC COLLECTING' actual physical comic books, bags, boards, & all?! Who wants a gazillion comics on a hard drive? Probably not a die-hard comics COLLECTOR!

Now time for 'Sabaoth's words of wisdom:

#7 | Sabaoth on June 2, 2011 10:56pm EST
^ I don't think it's a gimmick.
Maybe the creators' lawsuit is what made the reboot necessary.
They are planning Superman 2013 now.
Since the creators have ownership of Supes' origin story, then perhaps Krypton does not explode in this version.
I think Superman is hidden cause and purpose of Flashpoint and the reboot.
Anyone read Flashpoint #3 yet?

The thing is, I fear he may have a point! I'm not reading this 'Flashpoint' but anyone know what it is? Is it DC's gazillionth 'crisis' or what? Could the Superman points actually be relevant?!

Now, a quote from a guy who at one time I thought was a realist:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=9860#comments

#26 | Kal-El85 on June 2, 2011 9:50am EST
I am all for nixing the trunks. It just looks cheesy and even worse in live action. It's not the 1930's anymore when nobody cared b/c this was a medium for children.

Btw, Marvel's characters used to wear trunks too. (ie. Wolverine, Magneto, Cyclops, etc...) However, Marvel has been ahead of the curb when it comes to keeping their characters relevant. They don't wear trunks anymore, b/c grown men wearing what appeard to be trunks/underwear/panties...(whatever you want to call them) over their pants just looks silly and has been the butt of countless jokes in popular culture (movies & television) for years.

I love the fact that they're going to reimagine these characters from a blank slate that uses the logic of more or less, What if this character were created today? What would be different? What would remain the same? as opposed to 60 years go when the logic behind creating most of these characters was, "Would a child like this? Is this visually interesting to a child?

So there you go! Perfect reasoniing for dropping the 'panties'. But you would know about panties, wouldn't you, Kal-Apologist?! Razz

Father Finian Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:05 am

I kept banging on about the Smallville finale closing the book on a whole era of Superman, but I wasn't expecting it to this extreme!

I am speechless. This is a staggering move.

Honestly, you can thank Singer for some of this....he helped put the thought out there that perhaps "Classic Old School Superman" is "dated", when actually all he needed was to be in a good movie.

I have very little interest in a film about some new version of Superman

Father Finian Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:39 am

Apologist Puncher wrote:Yep, so Batman still looks like Batman too. How predictable.

Yep...shows you how "brave" this reboot is because it leaves one with the distinct impression that they actually consider Superman to be the one who needs the most "updating"

You know that character you've loved all your life? He's finished.

thecolorsblend Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:46 am

Apologist Puncher wrote:Yes, Mr. Didio, you are doing this for the "older fans", right? By completely SHITTING all over a characters look for no good reason? Except for the obvious, which you will NEVER admit to. So please Mr. Didio, pray tell, how is this for the "older readers"?

I find it funny that he is claiming to do this because less people are reading comics, but is going to LOSE the few they already have! I truly hope they believe that this stupid re-design, which is going to cause casual Superman fans to rant to their kids, thereby defeating the purpose, will work out for the best.

I truly do.

It comes down to this: they are selling a product and they are selling it to consumers. When they piss on those consumers and tell them outright that they don't matter, they may very well be writing their own epitaphs at this point. It ain't the 60's anymore, folks. You can't assume that the readership totally rolls over every three or four years. In general, the people collecting now were the same people collecting five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten years ago. The comics biz ain't growing in terms of readership. When the numbers dwindling as they are, keeping the longtimers onboard is all any company can really hope for at this point.

So, to bring it all back, telling those same longtimers to fuck off is an incredibly stupid move.

Some people might argue this was brought on solely by the legal wranglings surrounding Superman. And there may even be a sense in which that's true but (A) DC is anything but a first-time offender when it comes to this sort of thing and (B) if that's really all there ever was to this, why is DC doing an apparently company-wide reboot? Surely "fixing" Superman (in whatever fashion) is all that would be necessary under those circumstances, right?

Shit, the very fact that I'm reluctant to give DC the benefit of the doubt on this should tell you something.

And frankly, assuming the basics of the mythos remain unchanged and assuming this truly is a company-wide reboot, I of all people would be the LAST to complain... except that Jim Lee's new version of The Suit SUCKS. The original version is fine just the way it is. It doesn't need to be "tweaked" or "improved". It's classic and iconic, one of the most recognizable things in the entire world. To intentionally turn one's back on that is fucking idiotic.

And whatever this shit may really be about, legal stuff has nothing to do with it. It simply doesn't look different enough from the original Joe Shuster version to satisfy a court's ruling that the Siegels own it. Therefore, whatever the true story behind all this shit, I'm not entirely willing to believe it relates back to the Siegel Parasites case. I'm simply not convinced.

webhead2006 Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:16 am

I do see on one hand it is smart of dc to do a new superman that only has the elements dc fulls owns in there hands, so in the event if the legal stuff come 2013 they still have superman fans know and love mostly. But then on other hand it blows this stuff is even happening. But maybe they are doing this so like I said above if they don't win over the heirs,. But if they do they can always rejoin the elements the heirs had back into the mainstream. But hopefully that wont happen.

Father Finian Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:30 am

webhead2006 wrote:I do see on one hand it is smart of dc to do a new superman that only has the elements dc fulls owns in there hands, so in the event if the legal stuff come 2013 they still have superman fans know and love mostly.

You might as well have Singerman. This rebooted Superman is not fully the sum of his parts, simply not the original Superman.

That and the fact that he doesn't seem to even much resemble THE Superman fans "know and love"

I mean for starters, what's up with the goofy dog's collar neck line?

webhead2006 Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:28 pm

Ya things blows with all the mess with legal stuff and all.

thecolorsblend Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:08 pm

Father Finian wrote:
webhead2006 wrote:I do see on one hand it is smart of dc to do a new superman that only has the elements dc fulls owns in there hands, so in the event if the legal stuff come 2013 they still have superman fans know and love mostly.

You might as well have Singerman. This rebooted Superman is not fully the sum of his parts, simply not the original Superman.

That and the fact that he doesn't seem to even much resemble THE Superman fans "know and love"

I mean for starters, what's up with the goofy dog's collar neck line?

My assumption has long been that either Captain Marvel or Mon-El would take Superman's place/legacy in the DCU. The smart money would be on Mon-El since the power-set is already so similar and, in many ways, his outfit is the inverse of Superman's.

I've wondered though if DC might not simply create a Superman archetype (like the Plutonian from Irredeemable, the Crusader from Love & Capes, Rob Liefeld's Supreme or zillions of others) to fill the void. I'm not arguing either approach would work, I'm not advocating such a thing, I'm just saying that DC might try to make the best of a bad situation this way using a completely original character that they'll never be at risk for losing.

Just thinking out loud here.

webhead2006 Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:24 pm

That does seem like a logical thought colors if dc where to loose superman as a whole. But from what we know the remain to have more aspects of the character over the heirs. So its more in the heirs place to deal with wb/dc to make more bang for there buck. Hopefully if wb/dc can get the lawyer guy knocked down a few pegs. They can finally reach a deal with the heirs and we wouldn't have this issue hanging over superman any more. And then wb/dc just pay out to heirs a yrly profit off the aspects they own that are used in any given yr on the character.

thecolorsblend Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:26 pm

Comic Book Resources wrote:The New DCU may be many things, but don’t call it a ‘reboot’

The sweeping line-wide retooling of DC Comics’ superhero titles that will see the debut of 52 first issues introducing “a more modern, diverse DC Universe” has been referred to in a number of ways — a renumbering, a relaunch, a revamp. But what it isn’t, apparently, is a “reboot.”

“This is the launch of the New DCU,” DC’s Senior Vice President-Sales Bob Wayne explains in a letter to retailers. “It is not a ‘reboot.’ I think you will soon discover why that is.” Note also that it’s “New DCU” and not, thankfully, “DCNu” (so cut that out).

What differentiates Tuesday’s announcement, with its across-the-board No. 1 issues, promises of new origins and new (younger) ages for some characters and minor changes for others, from a reboot, of course, remains to be seen.

DC revealed the first wave of titles yesterday — 10, plus the earlier announced Justice League by Geoff Johns and Jim Lee — including Wonder Woman by Brian Azzarello and Cliff Chiang, The Fury of Firestorm by Ethan Van Sciver, Gail Simone and Yildiray Cinar, and Aquaman by Geoff Johns and Ivan Reis, followed this morning by the four Green Lantern books. That leaves 37 more series and creative teams to be parceled out between now and Tuesday, June 13, when the publisher’s September solicitations will be officially released.

URL- http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2011/06/the-new-dcu-may-be-many-things-but-dont-call-it-a-reboot/

So, they're resetting the characters' histories, the books will all start with a new #1, but this isn't a reboot?

Whatever. I know "why that is". The fact is that Geoff fucking Johns has written a metric fuckton of stories and doesn't want to see them all wiped away. Mind you, he's perfectly content with removing other peoples stories from continuity (Emerald Dawn, for example), but his shit is simply too special and important to be taken out of continuity.

In other words, Barry Allen's retarded new origin, the multiple Brainiacs, the various rainbow Lantern Corps, all that bullshit will presumably stay in continuity. Odds are good anything Grant Morrison ever did likely will too because, hey, he's Grant fucking Morrison.

*sigh*

Guys, you either reboot or you don't reboot. There is no middle ground. Selective continuity leads to major continuity problems. How fucking many times is DC going to have to learn this lesson the hard way? Seriously, did they learn nothing from Crisis On Infinite Earths, Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis and everything else? Retcons simply. Don't. Work.

Ever. Period.

I love comics, I've been a collector for a long time, I don't want to see the hobby die... but more and more, I've come to the realization that if it happens, if these fuckwits do manage to mismanage themselves straight into the unemployment line, they'll have no one to blame but themselves- not the economy, not rising production costs, for fucking sure NOT ME (as if I haven't done enough to support this industry).

A few years ago, I figured the comics biz had maybe five years of life left. I've revised that position because Disney bought Marvel. Those mouse dollars will go a long way toward staving off extinction for the comics biz. Disney didn't spend upwards of a billion dollars just to close Marvel down. At least in the short term, they'll *FIND* a way to keep the lights on, out of pure stubbornness if nothing else.

But all this adds up to is a stay of execution. Don't let anyone tell you different. Unless Marvel can do something extraordinary, I don't give two cents for this industry's fate in ten years time.

But in the interim, Disney is pushing Marvel products and comic books in places like Toys R Us, Barnes & Noble and so forth. I can't remember the last time I saw a comic rack outside of a proper comic store but I've seen them at those two retail outlets recently.

But back to continuity... either EVERYTHING goes or, ultimately, NOTHING goes; sorry, but there's no middle ground on this.

EDIT- I should say right here though that if DC is trying to stoke up interest in their line and create clear jumping-on points for their titles, they may be partially succeeding. My girlfriend intends to sample several titles that are coming out in September. This is a break from her usual method of following just the JLA, the Superman titles and a smattering of Batman.

webhead2006 Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:29 pm

Ha with this might as well just cal this like ultimate universe for dc..... ie just a different universe tale. This would have been an interesting way to go aboutbthings. So you have this new universe area they can play with new things. But then keep certain books from the current dcu going. This just sounds more messy and confusing.

non_amos Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:27 pm

My assumption has long been that either Captain Marvel or Mon-El would take Superman's place/legacy in the DCU. The smart money would be on Mon-El since the power-set is already so similar and, in many ways, his outfit is the inverse of Superman's.

I've wondered though if DC might not simply create a Superman archetype (like the Plutonian from Irredeemable, the Crusader from Love & Capes, Rob Liefeld's Supreme or zillions of others) to fill the void. I'm not arguing either approach would work, I'm not advocating such a thing, I'm just saying that DC might try to make the best of a bad situation this way using a completely original character that they'll never be at risk for losing.

Just thinking out loud here.

I wonder. I don't know what DC could 'get away with' here, but could they simply go, 'Kingdom Come Superman, for example? Still Superman but the costume is different. I hate to say how much else is different? Would it be a way of 'side-stepping' duh heirs is basically what I'm asking. However, we're also talking about an 'aged' Supes so that could be an issue, unless they 'rebooted' & presented him as young. Or just 'rip-off' that concept & present it as new? Another thought I had would be to go with the 'Ultraman' concept, only as a hero instead. Just trying to think of some things myself too I guess.

Apologist Puncher Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:54 pm

Father Finian wrote:Yep...shows you how "brave" this reboot is because it leaves one with the distinct impression that they actually consider Superman to be the one who needs the most "updating"

You know that character you've loved all your life? He's finished.

Here's a guess about what's going to happen, and I bet I am right:

Just like in the movies, DC is going to make BATMAN the first of the modern superheroes and NOT Superman.

Watch and see.

Apologist Puncher Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:00 pm

thecolorsblend wrote:EDIT- I should say right here though that if DC is trying to stoke up interest in their line and create clear jumping-on points for their titles, they may be partially succeeding. My girlfriend intends to sample several titles that are coming out in September. This is a break from her usual method of following just the JLA, the Superman titles and a smattering of Batman.

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Father Finian Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:22 pm

Apologist Puncher wrote:Just like in the movies, DC is going to make BATMAN the first of the modern superheroes and NOT Superman.

Watch and see.

I think you might be on the money. In fact, Smallville's already been down that path having Superman being the last hero to put on the cape. Whilst that was only in the SV Universe, your theory would make that "canon" for all that lies ahead.

Worrying, and like Singer's Folly, a deliberate slap in the face to all that went before, all that made the character the icon he is.

Father Finian Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:32 pm

thecolorsblend wrote:EDIT- I should say right here though that if DC is trying to stoke up interest in their line and create clear jumping-on points for their titles, they may be partially succeeding.

If sales are low, then I can see this move raising the level of interest, just out of curiosity. But they better give it all they've got because it seems to be the same creative people behind the dwindling sales of the "classic range" that are driving this reboot. Obviously they're betting on being prepared to lose long time followers who have invested their life following these classic characters in favor of picking up new fans.

I've never thought Superman needed updating. All he needs is to be put in good material more than he needs to be put in "trendy" updates that scream desperation.

Apologist Puncher Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:34 pm

Father Finian wrote:I think you might be on the money. In fact, Smallville's already been down that path having Superman being the last hero to put on the cape. Whilst that was only in the SV Universe, your theory would make that "canon" for all that lies ahead.

Worrying, and like Singer's Folly, a deliberate slap in the face to all that went before, all that made the character the icon he is.

Pretty much. After all, the Batman film franchise has made over a billion dollars, and the Superman franchise sputtered to a paltry $390 million. And both films were respectful, top-notch productions. So it's OUR fault that this has happened, right?

Give me a fucking break, Dan Dildo.
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