The X-men Film That Could Have Been!

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The X-men Film That Could Have Been!

Post  webhead2006 on Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:03 pm

I came across this story earlier, would like to hear your thoughts on this guys:
http://m.thewrap.com/thewrap/db_271323/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=fb78z5jb
Chris Claremont's Dream X-Men Movie: James Cameron, Kathryn Bigelow, and Bob Hoskins as Wolverine Tim Molloy 03/25/2012 2:12 PM

A decade before Bryan Singer brought the X-Men to the screen,the author of the mutant team's greatest stories imagined an X-movie produced by James Cameron,directed by Kathryn Bigelow,and starring Bob Hoskins as Wolverine and Angela Bassett as Storm.

Chris Claremont (above) spoke Saturday about how he first imagined the movie -- and his acclaimed 17-year run as the writer of Marvel comics' "Uncanny X-Men" -- at a Columbia University panel. It commemorated his decision to dedicate his archives to the school.

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"James Cameron,Bob Hoskins,Angela Bassett -- ahhh. Fanboy heaven. I would have been happy as a clam," Claremont said in a Q&A with Louise Simonson,his longtime "X-Men" editor.

(Photo of Chris Claremont at top of story by Seth Kushner,from "Leaping Tall Buildings: The Origins of American Comics.")

Claremont also talked about how he tried to dissuade former Marvel editor-in-chief Jim Shooter from reviving the character Jean Grey after Claremont killed her off in the Dark Phoenixsaga,one of his most famous X-Men stories. (It was partially adapted,along with Claremont's X-Men graphic novel,"God Loves,Man Kills," for the second X-Men film.)

He was wistful about the X-movie that might have been -- but still irritated at the retcon that brought Grey back to life for the comics series "X Factor."

Claremont has said before that he wanted Hoskins as Wolverine and Bassett as Storm,but went into detail Saturday about why a proposed adaptation from the then-married Cameron and Bigelow never came to pass. (Cameron went on to win best picture and director Oscars for "Titanic" and Bigelow to beat Cameron's "Avatar" to win best picture and directing Oscars for "The Hurt Locker.")

In the comics,Claremont noted,Wolverine is diminutive but feral,like a real wolverine. He recalled a scene in the 1984 film "Lassiter" in which Hoskins pushes open a door and shoves the much taller Tom Selleck while berating him. That moment,to Claremont,captured the essence of Wolverine.

He said that as Cameron launched his own studio,Lightstorm Entertainment, in 1990,he and Marvel Comics mastermind Stan Lee went to his office to pitch him an X-Men movie.

"Just think about this for a minute: James Cameron's X-Men. Directed by Kathryn Bigelow. That's what we were playing," Claremont said. "So we're chatting. And at one point Stan looks at Cameron and says,'I hear you like Spider-Man.' Cameron's eyes lit up.

"And they start talking. And talking. And talking. About 20 minutes later all the Lightstorm guys and I are looking at each other,and we all know the X-Men deal has just evaporated. Kathryn goes off and writes a screen treatment for X-Men that was eaten alive by all the idiots who have a piece of Spider-Man because Marvel during its evolution has sold off the rights time and time and time again. To Carolco. To Universal. To this to that. To Fox. It was just a nightmare."

20th Century Foxfinally released Singer's "X-Men" in 2000. Sony ultimately released Sam Raimi's "Spider-Man" in 2002,with a script by David Koepp.

Claremont had no complains about Singer's "X-Men" films -- or the casting of Hugh Jackman as Wolverine and Halle Berry as Storm. They launched a franchise and kicked off a decade of comic book blockbusters. But Claremont wondered what might have been if Cameron's film had been made a decade before Singer's.

He was less charitable about the return of Jean Grey,a decision that still annoys him.

Claremont's Dark Phoenixstoryline,which culminated in Grey's death in "Uncanny X-Men" number 137 in 1980,was one of the most dramatic in comic book history because it killed off one of the most beloved heroes of comics' Silver Age. Claremont was stunned to learn five years later that Marvel planned to bring the character back to life -- or rather,reveal that Grey hadn't really died -- for the new comic "X Factor," which reunited the original X-Men.

Instead of bringing back Jean Grey,he suggested adding her sister,Sara Grey,to the team. He suggested that Sara Grey could have the mutant power to detect other mutants. While Jean Grey had long been involved with the character Cyclops,Sara could have potential partnerships with all the members of the team,which also included Iceman,Angel,and the Beast.

Shooter liked the idea of bringing Sara Grey into the fray,Claremont said --but decided to go with the original plan for X-Factor. Within months,the title's original creative team departed,handing the writing duties over to Simonson.

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Post  thecolorsblend on Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:32 pm

Hm. Well, if any work-for-hire creator feels like he should have some kind of "ownership", I'd argue Claremont with the X-Men is probably near the top of the list.

Even so, the idea of those people doing an X-Men movie... well, if he's excited about the notion, who am I to argue? But I can't muster the same enthusiasm. Cameron might've been interesting but the rest... nah...

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Post  non_amos on Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:56 am

James Cameron is about the only one that interested me too. But I'd have been much more curious to know how his SPIDERMAN would've turned out. I still haven't read that online script though.

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Re: The X-men Film That Could Have Been!

Post  webhead2006 on Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:01 am

I too would haver really liked to see what cameron would have done with xmen. As I am with spidey of his,. I recall reading parts of his script ages ago. There was some good stuff. But then some other things I didn't really likke. I would have to reread it something to catch upp on it. I am a little hazey on details.

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Post  thecolorsblend on Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:28 am

non_amos wrote:James Cameron is about the only one that interested me too. But I'd have been much more curious to know how his SPIDERMAN would've turned out. I still haven't read that online script though.
I think it would've set the 13 yr old me off the deep end. I wasn't a huge Spider-Man fan even then but my understanding was that it was another one of those deals where he doesn't TRULY become the hero until the end of the movie. And in some ways, I can understand that. It gives the character an arc through the movie. For characters like Spider-Man (who have to grow in office a bit), that makes a lot of sense. But Raimi proves you can do it another way. Anyway. And you gotta figure Cameron probably wouldn't have come back for a sequel. So in the end, we'd get stuck with a movie that's 75% Peter acting either like a schlub or like a tool. And THAT was supposedly Cameron's high concept for a Spider-Man movie.

Oy...

But I've never read that treatment either so I'm doing way too much criticism from ignorance.

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Post  Apologist Puncher on Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:41 pm

non_amos wrote:James Cameron is about the only one that interested me too. But I'd have been much more curious to know how his SPIDERMAN would've turned out. I still haven't read that online script though.

He wears a half-assed "Spider-Man" costume throughout, with stockings covering the eye holes of his mask. In fact, at one point he steals one from a department store selling knock-off's. Yep, he steals. And he doesn't actually wear a version of the costume you expect until the end of the movie.

This one, to be exact:


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Post  thecolorsblend on Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:49 pm



Ben Reilly called, he wants his costume back.

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Post  Apologist Puncher on Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:09 pm

In color:


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Re: The X-men Film That Could Have Been!

Post  non_amos on Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:27 am

Apologist Puncher wrote:In color:


What's up with all of the black in that costume? I mean, you either have the traditional red & blue costume or you have the all-black costume with white spider emblem. That pic looks like he was trying to combine both concepts.

Oy.....is right! Suspect

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Post  thecolorsblend on Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:21 am

When it comes to his more original stuff (True Lies, Terminator 1 and 2, the Abyss), I'm onboard with Jim Cameron as a filmmaker. People bash the fuck out of Titanic but even that one had some good moments. But I'm really glad that he never got a shot at Spider-Man. Raimi, whatever flaws those three movies might've had, was worth waiting for. And at least for me, it's another reminder that Mark Webb seriously needs to be on his A-game.

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Post  Apologist Puncher on Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:40 pm

If anyone wants to read it without downloading it, here it is:

http://www.hundland.org/scripts/Spider-Man_CohenNewson.txt


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