STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS NEWS THREAD *SPOILERS*

[non_amos]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/173951-the-star-trek-into-darkness-announcement-teaser

The Star Trek Into Darkness Announcement Teaser!

by SuperHeroHype
December 05, 2012

Paramount Pictures has released the announcement teaser for J.J. Abrams' Star Trek Into Darkness which you can watch below! A longer teaser trailer will come online on December 17.

Opening in 3D, 2D and IMAX 3D theaters on May 17, the film stars John Cho, Bruce Greenwood, Simon Pegg, Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Zoe Saldana, Karl Urban, Anton Yelchin, Benedict Cumberbatch, Alice Eve and Peter Weller.

In Star Trek Into Darkness, when the crew of the Enterprise is called back home, they find an unstoppable force of terror from within their own organization has detonated the fleet and everything it stands for, leaving our world in a state of crisis.

With a personal score to settle, Captain Kirk leads a manhunt to a war-zone world to capture a one man weapon of mass destruction.

As our heroes are propelled into an epic chess game of life and death, love will be challenged, friendships will be torn apart, and sacrifices must be made for the only family Kirk has left: his crew.

UPDATE: The Japanese version of the same video has also been uploaded to the iTunes Movie Trailers website and it contains an additional 14 seconds of footage along with a final shot that should be hauntingly familiar to "Star Trek" fans. Check it out in the player beneath the domestic version.

The trailers SHH supplied ain't Youtube so I can't embed them so here they are from Youtube.





There's also a teaser poster.



This film is stirring up a lot of controversy! For one, some 'fans' are comparing this to Batman because of the whole Dark Knight/Nolan look to the villain & the poster. But even more controversial is the issue of just who the villain is. I don't think there's no need for spoiler tags here because as of this writing we really don't know anything; it's all conjecture.

Ever since the 1st Abrams film fans have been crying for KHAN. Yet others think that's a mistake because it becomes a remake of 'The Wrath of Khan'. But I believe the Khan theory had more or less been dismissed, that is, until now. If you watch that Japanese version of the teaser you'll see it looks eerily similar to the 'death of Spock' scene from ST2. So there Khan supporters go with their support again! But if you'll look closely Spock in this teaser is obviously not dying. And besides, Khan makes no sense in this timeline at this point.

My vote is on Gary Mitchell, the guy from 'Where No Man Has Gone Before' who acquired god-like powers. That would fit with this early Enterprise. He's also another popular theory. More later.

[thecolorsblend]

The trailers SHH supplied ain't Youtube so I can't embed them

Of course not. They want you to go to their crummy, POS site to watch so they get hits off it and maybe some ad revenue.

so here they are from Youtube.

Much appreciated.

Ever since the 1st Abrams film fans have been crying for KHAN. Yet others think that's a mistake because it becomes a remake of 'The Wrath of Khan'. But I believe the Khan theory had more or less been dismissed, that is, until now. If you watch that Japanese version of the teaser you'll see it looks eerily similar to the 'death of Spock' scene from ST2. So there Khan supporters go with their support again! But if you'll look closely Spock in this teaser is obviously not dying. And besides, Khan makes no sense in this timeline at this point.

My vote is on Gary Mitchell, the guy from 'Where No Man Has Gone Before' who acquired god-like powers. That would fit with this early Enterprise. He's also another popular theory. More later.

Too lazy to check but this rings a bell. A half ass comic adaptation of Trek 2009/TOS came out a while back with a similar premise. I like TOS but I'm no expert on it. But it sounded like a similar idea. I'll laugh if this basic story was already done in the comic.

Still, does make you wonder what exactly the point of rebooting was if we're just going to get TV episode adaptations. Say whatever you want about Trek 2009 but (apart from the neverending ST2- WOK references) it mostly gave us new stuff. Is this where things are going in future Trek films?

Also, someone should pass a law saying movie companies are not allowed to feature characters on posters with their backs to their camera and part of their face in profile. Talk about a cliché...

[Apologist Puncher]

First off, it WON'T be Khan. You can quote me on that too. Secondly, was that Sulu and Kirk falling together AGAIN?

And think about this: The 'Man Of Steel' trailer comes out the same day as 'Star Trek's, and what have we gotten from THAT film? Two pictures.

Yeah.

[non_amos]

Actually I was reading in the forums I believe over at SHH that there is indeed a recent comic adaptation of Gary Mitchell but with some major changes. What doesn't change is that he still bites the dust so these 'fans' are stating that since Roberto Orci is contributing to those comics or whatever that he stated that those comics are 'canon' in Abramsverse. So therefore logic dictates that since Mitchell is dead even in the comics, then there's no way he can be in this film. Uh.....since when did that ever stop anyone? Just ask Spock. Or Superman. Or Sam & Dean Winchester. I mean, c'mon, we're talking science fiction here folks!

Here's a pic that further solidifies the notion that Gary Mitchell is the villain.



What is this you ask? In TOS episode "Where No Man Has Gone Before', we didn't have just Gary Mitchell. We also had Dr. Elizabeth Dehner. This episode was credited as being the first episode when the VHS came out but somehow or another that wasn't originally intended so when the DVD boxed sets came out I believe it was then the 3rd episode. Anywho. To me it plays better as the first anyway. But here's the point. The Enterprise approached an energy barrier at the edge of the galaxy. When they attempted to go through it it 'zapped' both Gary Mitchell and Dr. Dehner. Mitchell began to mutate immediately. Dehner didn't initially appear to suffer the same fate but as a psychologist she wanted to 'study' him & obviously become his love interest too. Well, Mitchell exponentially became more & more powerful so they had to maroon him on a deserted planet & Kirk subsequently killed him with the help of Dehner who by then had also mutated but Kirk could still reason with her so she helped in Mitchell's destruction.

In this photo, on the left the character was played by Sally Kellerman. In the right, this 'unnamed' character is played by Alice Eve. And sure, their hair is parted on opposite sides but that's nitpicking. Otherwise compare the photos & you tell me who Eve is playing in this film. The pics are far too similar to be coincidence. Combine that with a 'one man weapon of mass destruction' hopping around all over the place, then who do you think the villain is? And something else. It couldn't be Khan anyway because what a lot of people are overlooking is that this character came from within their own organization, i.e., Star Fleet. When you consider all of this Mitchell is the only possibility that makes sense.

As for adapting TV series episodes, I'd say for the most part they shouldn't do that but this may be an exception like Khan was for ST2. Gary Mitchell was probably one of the most powerful characters ever created in the Star Trek universe & was ended just as quickly. So I can buy that since this is early in this Enterprise's travels that a 'parallel' event would happen. It also doesn't hurt to give such a character the big-screen CGI experience either.

[thecolorsblend]

I defer to your obvious expertise here. To your point, this looks like it has a lot of potential going for it. I'm excited for this movie in a way I wasn't expecting.

Maybe it's nitpicky of me but I'm happy Greenwood is back as Pike. I dig him in general, I really dug him in Trek '09 so I don't see his coming back as a bad thing by any stretch. May as well stock the movie with familiar faces. In fact, hell, I'd have been cool with it if Trek '09 had rolled credits with Pike still set up as captain of the Enterprise. It'd give Kirk somewhere to go in Into Darkness, if nothing else. No big deal though.

[non_amos]

First off, it WON'T be Khan. You can quote me on that too. Secondly, was that Sulu and Kirk falling together AGAIN?

And think about this: The 'Man Of Steel' trailer comes out the same day as 'Star Trek's, and what have we gotten from THAT film? Two pictures.

Yeah.

From what I've read it's Kirk & Dr. McKoy that are jumping off the cliff. As for the Superman comparison, also consider that whereas we might get a 2-minute plus trailer for MOS we're also getting a 9-minute preview of Star Trek, about like Nolan did with the last 2 Bat-films although his were 6 minutes. However another way of looking at this is that ST has just come out with their 1st teaser trailer but MOS did that back in the summer. They've yet to release their 'official' trailer so maybe they're dragging their feet too?

Another similarity. What's with the secrecy in both films about their villains?! We already know that Abrams ain't spilling the beans yet but what's up with Michael Shannon's Zod?! It doesn't appear that we're gonna see much of that in the new MOS trailer either.

[James Stocks]

Gotta say I'm unhappy with them doing the "villain wants revenge" routine for the FOURTH time in a row. It just tells me the filmmakers don't know where else to take the films. Can't they do something new? Are they too scared? What's funny is that THE VOYAGE HOME had no villain, no space battles and no phaser battles! Yet for the longest time that was the most popular and successful Trek film that really kicked the franchise into a new level of phenomenon. I doubt any studio would ever have the balls to produce such a flick as a summer tentpole film in this day and age, and that's too bad.

However, Trek today is what it is and the best I can hope for is a good variation on the approach they're taking.

If this is Gary Mitchell then I do hope it plays out like this:

In the Original Series, Kirk planned to strand his longtime friend Gary Mitchell on a desolate planet because he didn't know what to do with him growing powerful every minute, he didn't want to kill him but he wanted to keep him far away from civilization. The episode ends Kirk confronting Mitchell on the planet and killing him.

Now, I think a neat idea is to do a followup to that story, but changing a few details. Gary Mitchell doesn't die, he ends up stranded on that planet. Over the years he has become powerful enough to leave the confines of that desolate planet somehow and attacks Earth for revenge. Assuming Kirk in this reboot stranded Mitchell, he'll have to face him once again while trying to come to terms with the consequences of not killing him like he should have many years ago.

[thecolorsblend]

Revenge is probably the most basic character motivation for villains in this type of fiction. It's easy to understand why but that's also what makes it the most over-used. Why not take a page from Bond and do a villain who truly believes he has a better way forward than the Federation and uses any means necessary to get there? Sure, that might require Kirk to become an emblem of The Establishment and maybe the rebooted Kirk just ain't there yet but, hey, it gives him an arc or something for the film (because apparently character development is the end all, be all).

[James Stocks]

It just seems more cliche for Trek because everyone is really trying to recapture what made Khan a compelling villain, who's motive was vengeance mixed with obsession. It became obvious and tired with Tom Hardy's villain in NEMESIS and the same with Eric Bana's in TREK 09. Hopefully unlike the last two, Cumberbatch could turn out to be successful.

[non_amos]

Assuming this is Mitchell, then what's up then with the whole Dark Knight image? Or Neo? Or the Crow? I mean, that's fine for Nolan Bat-films but Star Trek? That's not how Mitchell looked in TOS. To be fair though, there are pics online of Spock trying to give the Vulcan nerve pinch to Cumberbatch who is playing the villain & in those pics he looks like he might have a Star Fleet uniform on. But then you see him crashing through skyscraper windows like Superman or something & wearing the black trench-coat like the wrestler Sting. And this version is very physical. In TOS Mitchell was so powerfully psychic that he'd just wave his hand & do damage. In this new film it's like he's got super-powers instead so I don't know where they're going with this.

If you'll note in the voice-over in the teaser he states that he's returned for his revenge in so many words. He has 'returned' being key. Other theories as to who it might be are Charlie X from TOS who also had god-like powers & Trelane who was even more powerful than Charlie X & possibly even Mitchell. But the problem with either character is they were never in Star Fleet. That is indeed a prerequisite for this villain. Some have theorized that Trelane was actually a 'Q' & that the villain may even be a 'Q' but sorry, Q was still never in Star Fleet. Neither was Khan. Mitchell for the win.

[James Stocks]

Here's a photo of him definitely wearing a uniform variant.



And then you look back to TOS:




Yeah, not solid evidence that this is Mitchell but who knows it might not be too much of a coincidence.

[thecolorsblend]

Assuming this is Mitchell, then what's up then with the whole Dark Knight image? Or Neo? Or the Crow?

You and I aren't the only ones who are sick of that.



http://www.demilked.com/popular-movie-poster-cliches

[Apologist Puncher]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=71131

Klingons Confirmed For STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS; Alice Eve's Role Revealed

It seems it won't only be 'John Harrison' giving the crew of The Enterprise headaches in J.J. Abrams' upcoming sequel, as perhaps the most iconic Star Trek villains in history, The Klingons, have been spotted in new footage from the movie..
Mark "RorMachine" Cassidy - 12/10/2012

As the internet goes space-crazy over all of the lovely Star Trek Into Darkness footage and info over the last few days, we have even more news on J.J. Abrams' highly anticipated sci-fi follow up. More new footage was screened today for a select few at the Bad Robot Avid Post Production Webinar, and it turns out those rumors of Klingons on the starboard bow were true after all..

SHH's Silas Lesnick Tweeted the following..




This should make Trekkies pretty happy. The Klingons were allies of Starfleet in the later Star Trek series, but the early incarnations served as the show's/movie's primary antagonists. Hopefully we'll find out a bit more about their appearance in Star Trek Into Darkness as more info on the footage leaks.

Also, Frosty from Collider just Tweeted this..

Spoiler:

[Apologist Puncher]

Some more:

Paramount Finally Name Benedict Cumberbatch’s Star Trek Villain
Posted on December 10, 2012 by Brendon Connelly

As you’ll be able to infer from this single image, the shot of hands touching glass at the end of the Japanese teaser trailer for Star Trek Into Darkness featured the wonderful hand acting of Benedict Cumberbatch and Zachary Quinto.

You’ll also work out that, yes, the camera was on the “inside” as I guessed it might be.



You can click on that to make it huge.

There are still several questions, including new ones like “What’s that on his arm?”

We’ve had a real run of movies where villains get locked up – and in Skyfall and The Avengers, behind glass too – for this to be later revealed as part of their evil, usually nonsensical, plan. If Abrams, Kurtzmann, Orci and Lindelof have opted for the same gambit, I bet they’re already a little wincey about the fan boy moan mountain that’s bound to arise.

UPDATE: Trek Movie have published the official caption for the image and it’s this:

(Left to right) Zachary Quinto is Spock, Benedict Cumberbatch is John Harrison and Chris Pine is Kirk in STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS from Paramount Pictures and Skydance Productions.

What? John Harrison?

Well, there’s a character called Harrison who featured in several early episodes. His StarTrek.com entry reads:

A technician first-class on the U.S.S. Enterprise in 2267. Harrison nearly suffocated on the bridge when Khan cut the air supply. Captain Kirk’s log reflected a commendation for him.

Interesting… I think I can see what’s going on here… this adds up with some other ideas I’ve heard.

Let me put this together. A “theory” post to follow soon…

[non_amos]

AP, I saw the same info over at SHH just now before I read your & James Stocks' posts. I don't buy this info they're supplying & I agree with posters over at SHH in that I think too that this is some kinda 'disinformation' scheme. Rather than posting duplicate info I'll just provide the link(s) but then show a sample of the comments.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/174015-alice-eves-star-trek-into-darkness-character-revealed

Andrew • 35 minutes ago

this is starting to sound a helluva lot like a remake of Wrath of Khan. I mean Carol Marcus, a Nietzschean Superman running around kicking ass, a Vulcan wearing a blue shirt giving a farewell salute through a glass pane. Does no one else notice this but me?

E-DoGG • 34 minutes ago

I don't buy it. Alice Eve looks like the sptting image of Dr. Elizabeth Dehner. I say this is a decoy :-/

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/174009-new-image-from-star-trek-into-darkness

mtheumer • 8 hours ago

Come on! It's Gary Mitchell! It's not like it's still a secret. At least it better be Gary Mitchell or this movie is taking a turn for the worse

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Tratz • 8 hours ago

Sure looks like Gary Mitchell to me.

Tron5000 • 8 hours ago

A decoy name...for Gary Mitchell. I'm pretty stoked for this movie.

etch• 6 hours ago

John Harrison

Gary Mitchell

Same amount of letters.
Not much of a decoy.

Rodri • 7 hours ago

Alice Eve is Elizabeth Dehner.

TheFortiesGuyStrikesBack Rodri • 5 hours ago

Well...
Her character looks JUST like Sally Kellerman's even down to the hair style.

Elliott • 7 hours ago

this is a recreation of the scene in TOS "Where No Man Has Gone Before" when Kirk and Spock imprison Gary Mitchell on Delta Vega in an attempt to block his powers - pretty much confirming that Cumberbatch is Gary Mitchell

These comments mirror my own feelings! Carol Marcus was also in ST2 which would seem to support the Khan theory. But why then is she the spitting image of Dr. Dehner? And just like that pic that James Stocks posted. That looks like a literal adaptation of the scene from TOS! And who is this 'John Harrison'?! I've liked Trek most of my life & I don't even remember the character. Did he wear a 'red shirt'? Which were forgettable characters anyway & the ones who usually died in TOS.

Let me ask this. Ain't Abrams known for sowing disinformation anyway, the proverbial 'red herring' if you will? Who wants a remake of 'Wrath of Khan' & who even cares about 'John Harrison'?! Like I said, I ain't buying it.

[Apologist Puncher]

I pretty much assumed it was a case of misdirection when I read it.

[thecolorsblend]

Studios don't release disinformation if they sign their name to it. Isn't one of those sources the Puncher cited an official source? It's not "disinformation" if it comes through official channels- it's a lie. Which is ++ Ungood if you're trying to promote a movie (or any product) that people spend money on.

If all this "confirmation" though is the usual cloak and dagger Internet bullshit then the game is still on.

All this Gary Mitchell stuff motivated me to watch that episode of TOS and read those comics. It wasn't until the episode had gotten under way that I remembered I'd seen it a few months before Trek '09 came out. Liked it then and I like it now. If this is truly the course they're taking for the sequel, I'm onboard. The comic changes some key continuity issues. Dehner was written out of the story, Spock managed the Vulcan nerve pitch on Gary during the showdown with Kirk and some other things. I kinda like that actually. (A) It prevents the story from becoming a shot-for-shot remake of the episode and (B) it shows that this continuity, however similar it may be to the original version, is still going to have fluctuations in it. Of course, it's hard to escape a butterfly effect scenario (change a small thing and it makes only a small difference in the beginning but over time it becomes a medium sized difference which then becomes a fucking huge difference) but maybe that's overthinking it. Anyway, on that note sorta, what if the STID is basically an adaptation of the episode but, at the crucial moment, Kirk decides to spare Mitchell (I imagine Kirk may have an opinion about the whole "marooned on a desolate planet" thing in this new continuity) and he and the crew escape. Eventually, Mitchell becomes so powerful that he somehow escapes Delta Vega and comes looking for the Enterprise? Sure, that pisses all over the comic book continuity but I doubt anybody is too worried about that, esp if the big payoff is a better story.

[Apologist Puncher]

Studios don't release disinformation if they sign their name to it. Isn't one of those sources the Puncher cited an official source? It's not "disinformation" if it comes through official channels- it's a lie. Which is ++ Ungood if you're trying to promote a movie (or any product) that people spend money on.

If all this "confirmation" though is the usual cloak and dagger Internet bullshit then the game is still on.

Actually, the "John Harrison" info came via a Star Trek message board. This way, Paramount has an "out" as far as them being called on a lie....

[James Stocks]

This "Harrison" in TOS was only a uncredited non-speaking role, so I kinda doubt Abrams watched a TOS episode and pointed at him saying "that's our next villain!"

So, it's clearly a diversion. They didn't withhold this "name" this long for no reason. Just wait for the moment where Kirk calls him by "Harrison" and the villain shouts "NO, SAY MY NAME, MY REAL NAME". Kirk walks out of the brig and then tells Spock "his name is Gary/Khan/Garth/Bullshit, we went to the academy together and he was brilliant".

Or he's actually named John Harrison, and Abrams is really that insane about keeping trivial stuff like that a secret.

[thecolorsblend]

Studios don't release disinformation if they sign their name to it. Isn't one of those sources the Puncher cited an official source? It's not "disinformation" if it comes through official channels- it's a lie. Which is ++ Ungood if you're trying to promote a movie (or any product) that people spend money on.

If all this "confirmation" though is the usual cloak and dagger Internet bullshit then the game is still on.

Actually, the "John Harrison" info came via a Star Trek message board. This way, Paramount has an "out" as far as them being called on a lie....

This is what it looks like when I stand corrected.

[James Stocks]

[thecolorsblend]

(A) My new found enthusiasm for this movie continues unabated and (B) if that isn't Mitchell, it may as well be from the looks of it.

[non_amos]

The video is no longer available?! I didn't get to see this longer version. What happened?!

[thecolorsblend]

The video is no longer available?! I didn't get to see this longer version. What happened?!

Says there was a copyright claim by Paramount. Weird.

[non_amos]

The video is no longer available?! I didn't get to see this longer version. What happened?!

Says there was a copyright claim by Paramount. Weird.

But the ironic thing is though is that right after I made this post I went to SHH where they had a couple of new ST articles & there I was able to watch the new trailer. Not in Youtube but rather it was in that 'Vimeo' embedded crapola. I'm not really sure how to take the new trailer. The teaser seemed to focus more on the villain's destructive abilities than this one did but this one showed 'John Harrison' in an 'energy cell' prison just like the comparison that James Stocks made to TOS. But he's not Gary Mitchell?! I mean, does Abrams think we're idiots or what?! If it looks like a duck & walks like a duck..........you get the point.

I watched WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE again a few nights ago to get up to speed on this. A fan at SHH also pointed this fact out but I had already noticed it myself when I watched the episode. At the beginning, before Mitchell's 'accident', he points out to Kirk about 'the little blonde that he pointed in his direction' during their academy days. Kirk is surprised like, "That was you?! I almost married her!" Now that was an unnamed character who never appeared in TOS. But in STAR TREK 2: THE WRATH OF KHAN we find out that Kirk had had a son with Carol Marcus back in the day who was a blonde so it's inferred that she's the one that Mitchell made reference to. But this is also where the Khan conspiracy nuts get their ideas from too. But then again if she's Marcus why then did they make her up to look almost identical to Dr. Elizabeth Dehner?

I really believe JJ knows the definition of red herring.

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