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Post  thecolorsblend on Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:21 pm

Maybe I'm rusty on the underpinnings of this story. Or maybe I've got a much different appraisal of the political discourse and situation in this country. But either way, I don't really see the connections between this story and what's happening on the political scene right now.
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Post  Apologist Puncher on Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:29 pm

thecolorsblend wrote:Maybe I'm rusty on the underpinnings of this story. Or maybe I've got a much different appraisal of the political discourse and situation in this country. But either way, I don't really see the connections between this story and what's happening on the political scene right now.

Translation: It's a completely different story.

And this bothers me.

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Post  webhead2006 on Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:07 am

That interview was ok. But like what AP said if they are changing the heart of what the comic storyline is for the film. Doesnt that defeat the purpose of even adapting that storyline at all.
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Post  thecolorsblend on Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:47 am

Apologist Puncher wrote:
thecolorsblend wrote:Maybe I'm rusty on the underpinnings of this story. Or maybe I've got a much different appraisal of the political discourse and situation in this country. But either way, I don't really see the connections between this story and what's happening on the political scene right now.

Translation: It's a completely different story.

And this bothers me.
Me as well, actually. Especially as the Elite storyline in the comics is more than substantial enough for a movie.
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Post  Apologist Puncher on Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:39 pm

Here it is, without the voices though....?:


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Post  thecolorsblend on Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:45 pm

Apologist Puncher wrote:Here it is, without the voices though....?:

Weird. Real weird. You can even hear the decibel level drop where the voices would go.

But anyway. As to the proper trailer, am I the only one who thinks Tim Daly is pretty miscast as Superman in this movie? I'm not saying Superman should sound like Patrick Warburton but you'd think a slightly more stylized voice would fit with the slightly more stylized line style the movie is running with. Maybe it's small potatoes, maybe it's because I was never all that high on Daly as Superman in the first place but there it is.
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Post  Apologist Puncher on Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:49 pm

thecolorsblend wrote:Weird. Real weird. You can even hear the decibel level drop where the voices would go.

Pretty much, yeah.

But anyway. As to the proper trailer, am I the only one who thinks Tim Daly is pretty miscast as Superman in this movie? I'm not saying Superman should sound like Patrick Warburton but you'd think a slightly more stylized voice would fit with the slightly more stylized line style the movie is running with. Maybe it's small potatoes, maybe it's because I was never all that high on Daly as Superman in the first place but there it is.

Actually, George Newbern from the 'Justice League' series is voicing Superman in this.

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Post  thecolorsblend on Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:52 pm

Apologist Puncher wrote:
thecolorsblend wrote:Weird. Real weird. You can even hear the decibel level drop where the voices would go.

Pretty much, yeah.

But anyway. As to the proper trailer, am I the only one who thinks Tim Daly is pretty miscast as Superman in this movie? I'm not saying Superman should sound like Patrick Warburton but you'd think a slightly more stylized voice would fit with the slightly more stylized line style the movie is running with. Maybe it's small potatoes, maybe it's because I was never all that high on Daly as Superman in the first place but there it is.

Actually, George Newbern from the 'Justice League' series is voicing Superman in this.
Mm. Sounded more like Daly to me. But fine, Newbern then. I think they should've used some other voice. That's the point.
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Post  Apologist Puncher on Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:57 pm

thecolorsblend wrote:Mm. Sounded more like Daly to me.

Which is why they hired Newbern for JLU in the first place....

I think they should've used some other voice. That's the point.

I agree. It needed someone with some "authority" in their voice.

But it is what it is.

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Post  webhead2006 on Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:34 am

They sure do sound pretty much the same, i would get them mixed up too if i didnt know which was which. And since both have still done superman work for dc that can be a mistake we all make. Personally though i liked daly more then george.
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Post  Apologist Puncher on Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:56 pm

Review of the film:

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http://www.movieviral.com/2012/03/17/movie-review-superman-vs-the-elite/

Movie Review: Superman Vs. The Elite
March 17, 2012 By Dan Koelsch 1 Comment

As I’ve mentioned many times, Superman is my favorite superhero. While this could make me biased to think that any Superman project is automatically decent, but as a fan, I care about the treatment this hero of heroes. That’s why I was both excited and nervous to see Warner Premiere’s Superman Vs. The Elite last night at WonderCon. Despite the track record of the DC Universe Animated Original Movies, this was my first solo Superman film of the series. Read my full review after the break.

The plot of the film is taken from the Action Comics story “What’s So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?”, which the film’s screenwriter Joe Kelly wrote as well. Directed by Michael Chang, Superman vs. The Elite asks the question: “Is Superman (and his values) still relevant in today’s world?” The film starts with Superman taking down the villain Atomic Skull and turning him over to authorities. The UN and the public openly question why Superman didn’t just kill Skull when he had a chance. When Superman goes to the Middle East to help out in a dispute that’s erupted, a new group of superheroes help him out. However, they are young, brash, and eager to kill those in the wrong. They eventually call themselves The Elite, and the public favors them over Superman. After a turn of events, The Elite try to kill Superman in an epic climatic fight.
I’m not one to mince words, so I’m just going to come out and say this movie is simply awesome. I love the pacing; there’s a good mix of character scenes and action sequences. All the voices are just right, and The Elite, headed by Manchester Black (voiced by the amazing Robin Atkin Downes) are a badass group. There’s some great twists and turns, and even a bit of cursing and sexual innuendo for us grown ups.

At the heart of this film, however, is that question of Superman’s relevance, and it works here on so many levels. We have become a harder people, looking more for retribution than justice, especially in the wake of events of September 11th, 2001. The US has turned terrorists into animals, and some say we’ve lost our way in our efforts to protect ourselves and stop them. The people in the film are similar, with the film even mentioning terrorism and having a Rush Limbaugh-like personality. Is it morally justified to kill bad people in order to prevent them from escaping capture? When said villain vaporizes innocent bystanders with radiation, it’s easy to understand why the public shifted loyalties to The Elite.

The question of Superman’s relevance has also been a topic of pop culture since gritty superheroes have become more popular and realistic in this post-9/11 world. The success of a darker Batman in various media, as well as the X-Men movies seems to support this assumption. There hasn’t been a quality Superman film since the 70s, and the road to bring one of the most recognized names to the big screen has been tumultuous to say the least. Is there room in Hollywood for a goody two-shoes superhero?

Without giving away too much, the film answers both of these questions of Superman’s relevance with a resounding “YES”. However, to find out how it all goes down, you’ll have to see for yourself. Pick up the Blu-ray of Superman Vs. The Elite when it hits stores on June 12th. Until then, you can follow the film on Facebook to see the trailer and get more updates.
Rating: 4.5/5

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Post  thecolorsblend on Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:54 pm

Spoiler:
The people in the film are similar, with the film even mentioning terrorism and having a Rush Limbaugh-like personality.[/quote]Um, hmm. Cuz when I think "great Superman story", I think "partisanship favoring one side or the other". Ugh...

Is it morally justified to kill bad people in order to prevent them from escaping capture?
And...

Is there room in Hollywood for a goody two-shoes superhero?

Without giving away too much, the film answers both of these questions of Superman’s relevance with a resounding “YES”.
Um... I hope I'm missing something here. Or the reviewer isn't paying attention to his writing (which, given how he misuses the word "climatic", is a possibility).
Thanks for posting the review.
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Post  webhead2006 on Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:22 am

Interesting review on the film.
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Post  Apologist Puncher on Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:21 pm

Another review, and this one gives me more hope:

Spoiler:
http://mightyaction.com/2012/03/18/wondercon-superman-elite-advanced-screening-review/

WonderCon: Superman vs The Elite – Advanced Screening Review

We got to see a special screening at WonderCon for DC’s new animated movie Superman vs The Elite. The film is based on the story “What’s So Funny About Truth, Justice and the American Way”, in the 2001 issue of DC’s “Action Comics” #775, written by Joe Kelly, illustrated by Doug Mahnke and Lee Bermejo.

The film starts with a mysterious man in a Union Jack shirt watching a network of video screens that display trouble around the world. In one of the screens Superman stops a explosion but other horrors occur at the same time where the Man of Steel can’t be. The man watching the screens is Manchester Black, leader of The Elite. The Elite is a team of super-powered anti-heroes, who gained worldwide popularity for killing their enemies.

Despite the acclaim and approval The Elite have received by the world for killing terrorists, Superman doesn’t believe in their way, continually defying The Elite even after they save him and the city.

The differences of methods and morals taking place to kill or have mercy will sway you. Both philosophies are gripping and tense and you start to think the unthinkable…Superman could be wrong. Why let a mass murderer live another day so he can kill again another day? When villains so brutal why should anyone show compassion for these destructive time bombs? The beauty of this film wrestles with just that and you’ll have your doubts about what the right thing to do is.

The film shows Superman in a new light, one where you feel sympathetic for him as if he were a dinosaur. Is Superman irrelevant to what the world needs today?

Tensions between Superman and The Elite culminate in a final showdown on one of Jupiter’s moons. The finale’s battle is worthy of a comparison to the Superman II movie! You won’t regret watching the best animated film from DC to date.

There was also a bonus for those watching a advanced screening of Superman vs The Elite at the end of the panel. The next animated film to be released is The Dark Knight Returns from Frank Mille’s 1985 graphic novel!


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Post  Comicbookfan-V2 on Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:56 pm

webhead2006 wrote:They sure do sound pretty much the same, i would get them mixed up too if i didnt know which was which. And since both have still done superman work for dc that can be a mistake we all make. Personally though i liked daly more then george.

Which give me a good reason for me to forgive the producers behind "Justice League"/"Unlimited" for hiring George Newbern for the role since they couldn't get Tim Daily due to his particiapation in the short lived adaptation of "The Fugitive". Still wonder why he made that choice in the first place?
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Post  thecolorsblend on Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:02 pm

Comicbookfan-V2 wrote:Which give me a good reason for me to forgive the producers behind "Justice League"/"Unlimited" for hiring George Newbern for the role since they couldn't get Tim Daily due to his particiapation in the short lived adaptation of "The Fugitive".
Um, if they couldn't get Daly back because of The Fugitive... what do they have to be forgiven for???
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Post  Apologist Puncher on Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:06 pm

thecolorsblend wrote:
Comicbookfan-V2 wrote:Which give me a good reason for me to forgive the producers behind "Justice League"/"Unlimited" for hiring George Newbern for the role since they couldn't get Tim Daily due to his particiapation in the short lived adaptation of "The Fugitive".
Um, if they couldn't get Daly back because of The Fugitive... what do they have to be forgiven for???


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Post  thecolorsblend on Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:08 pm

Stolen from the animated TDKR thread...

Apologist Puncher wrote:
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The differences of methods and morals taking place to kill or have mercy will sway you. Both philosophies are gripping and tense and you start to think the unthinkable…Superman could be wrong. Why let a mass murderer live another day so he can kill again another day? When villains so brutal why should anyone show compassion for these destructive time bombs? The beauty of this film wrestles with just that and you’ll have your doubts about what the right thing to do is.

The film shows Superman in a new light, one where you feel sympathetic for him as if he were a dinosaur. Is Superman irrelevant to what the world needs today?
This is my entire beef with realism applied to superheroes. You listening to this, Nolan? The problem here is that when you put superheroes into real world situations, you impose on them all the moral and philosophical complications of operating outside the law. Maybe the law sucks at times but for crying out loud it's all we've got. Real life people who take the law into their own hands the way comic book characters do are not likely to be virtuous, admirable people. But even if they are, there's more than enough ammo to level every moral aspersion because of their implicit belief that due process, evidence, right to a speedy trial by a jury of one's peers and all that stuff is passe and unnecessary. True, Superman doesn't represent that type of character at all... BUT THE ELITE DO. That's the entire fucking point!
Assholes...


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Post  Apologist Puncher on Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:12 pm

thecolorsblend wrote:Stolen from the animated TDKR thread...

Actually, I posted it here first, just look up a few posts.

thecolorsblend wrote:
Apologist Puncher wrote:
Spoiler:
The differences of methods and morals taking place to kill or have mercy will sway you. Both philosophies are gripping and tense and you start to think the unthinkable…Superman could be wrong. Why let a mass murderer live another day so he can kill again another day? When villains so brutal why should anyone show compassion for these destructive time bombs? The beauty of this film wrestles with just that and you’ll have your doubts about what the right thing to do is.

The film shows Superman in a new light, one where you feel sympathetic for him as if he were a dinosaur. Is Superman irrelevant to what the world needs today?
This is my entire beef with realism applied to superheroes. You listening to this, Nolan? The problem here is that when you put superheroes into real world situations, you impose on them all the moral and philosophical complications of operating outside the law. Maybe the law sucks at times but for crying out loud it's all we've got. Real life people who takes the law into his own hands the way comic book characters do are not likely to be virtuous, admirable people. But even if they are, there's more than enough ammo to level every moral aspersion because of their implicit belief that due process, evidence, right to a speedy trial by a jury of one's peers and all that stuff is passe and unnecessary. True, Superman doesn't represent that type of character at all... BUT THE ELITE DO. That's the entire fucking point!
Assholes...

Couldn't agree more.

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Post  Apologist Puncher on Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:13 pm

Just bumping this review in case people didn't catch it:

Apologist Puncher wrote:Another review, and this one gives me more hope:

Spoiler:
http://mightyaction.com/2012/03/18/wondercon-superman-elite-advanced-screening-review/

WonderCon: Superman vs The Elite – Advanced Screening Review

We got to see a special screening at WonderCon for DC’s new animated movie Superman vs The Elite. The film is based on the story “What’s So Funny About Truth, Justice and the American Way”, in the 2001 issue of DC’s “Action Comics” #775, written by Joe Kelly, illustrated by Doug Mahnke and Lee Bermejo.

The film starts with a mysterious man in a Union Jack shirt watching a network of video screens that display trouble around the world. In one of the screens Superman stops a explosion but other horrors occur at the same time where the Man of Steel can’t be. The man watching the screens is Manchester Black, leader of The Elite. The Elite is a team of super-powered anti-heroes, who gained worldwide popularity for killing their enemies.

Despite the acclaim and approval The Elite have received by the world for killing terrorists, Superman doesn’t believe in their way, continually defying The Elite even after they save him and the city.

The differences of methods and morals taking place to kill or have mercy will sway you. Both philosophies are gripping and tense and you start to think the unthinkable…Superman could be wrong. Why let a mass murderer live another day so he can kill again another day? When villains so brutal why should anyone show compassion for these destructive time bombs? The beauty of this film wrestles with just that and you’ll have your doubts about what the right thing to do is.

The film shows Superman in a new light, one where you feel sympathetic for him as if he were a dinosaur. Is Superman irrelevant to what the world needs today?

Tensions between Superman and The Elite culminate in a final showdown on one of Jupiter’s moons. The finale’s battle is worthy of a comparison to the Superman II movie! You won’t regret watching the best animated film from DC to date.

There was also a bonus for those watching a advanced screening of Superman vs The Elite at the end of the panel. The next animated film to be released is The Dark Knight Returns from Frank Mille’s 1985 graphic novel!


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Post  thecolorsblend on Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:15 pm

Apologist Puncher wrote:Actually, I posted it here first, just look up a few posts.
Fair enough. I only just noticed it over there though and figured you wouldn't mind me dragging it over here. But yeah, should've checked. But the point stands.
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Post  thecolorsblend on Sat May 12, 2012 7:38 am

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Post  Apologist Puncher on Sat May 12, 2012 6:58 pm

thecolorsblend wrote:Good find.

It's what I do.

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