Screwing Up Captain America...

During a scene using wires and a high powered fan Evans is dropped onto a Black train car, after Joe Johnston yells 'Cut' Evans winced with a little bit of pain stating:

“There was a lot of business getting choked down there,” I almost fell off the train! That would have been a disaster,” says Evans. “Did everything else look good?”

Even with the stunt work it seems that Chris Evans is wanting perfection, which is exactly what we want from the lead star of the most important super hero film made this generation. Captain America will set up a total of 9 movies (Captain America Trilogy, Avengers Trilogy, and 3 more Marvel movies with at least cameos of Captain America)staring Chris Evans as Captain America. Thank god Chris is self conscious enough to want to get it right.

Kevein Feige even chimed in stating:

Captain America is “the last jewel in the Marvel crown that hasn't gotten its own movie franchise.”

Kevin went on to explain why Marvel ultimately went with Chris Evans as Captain America:

“We wanted an American.”

Which is a pretty important requirement for an actor to fulfill while taking the role of Captain America.

Still, director Joe Johnston states:

“I never wanted to make this movie into something of a flag-waver. We were very careful about that when we were developing the screenplay.” It's “about international cooperation.”

Of course Captain America is going to set up the most important Marvel Team Up movie of all time, The Avengers.

At first Evans did not want the role at all. In fact he turned it down 3 times before finally accepting it. Chris goes on to say:

“I've made some spotty films in the past, and I didn't want another one on this scale, “I remember telling a buddy of mine, ‘If the movie bombs, I’m f---ed. If the movie hits, I’m f---ed!’
“I was just scared,” Chris says. “I realized my whole decision-making process was fear-based, and you never want to make a decision out of fear. And so one weekend, I just said, ‘F---it. Let’s do it.’ ”

What's director Joe Johnston's take on Chris Evans:

“He has really brought a whole different level to the character that I didn't know existed—more real, more complicated, more vulnerable.”

Chris Evans now has no regrets taking on the iconic role:

“When I first put on the suit, I was absolutely terrified. But once I started working, I could just see this was going to be a good experience. Then I started going, ‘Wow. This is really cool,’ ” he says. “I can't believe I was almost too chicken to play Captain America.”

Apologist Puncher wrote:“I never wanted to make this movie into something of a flag-waver. We were very careful about that when we were developing the screenplay.” It's “about international cooperation.”

A film titled CAPTAIN AMERICA is about "international cooperation"??? Seriously, this anti-USA stance by Hollyweird is going too far. That lame-ass'ed GI Joe movie was one thing. That movie sucked. But to do it AGAIN in Captain America?

Losing interest by the day.

webhead2006 wrote:Joe was probably trying to make it sound less america is great the rest of the world sucks. Since most counties don't really like the us. So trying to be less one thing and more open to the world views could be helpful. I know folks were complaining about comments joe said before like this. But if in the end if the films ends up good and gets the essence of the characters right. It shouldn't be bad.

webhead2006 wrote:oh i know that is a bs type of answer but hey everything is so PC these days.

webhead2006 wrote:Joe was probably trying to make it sound less america is great the rest of the world sucks. Since most counties don't really like the us. So trying to be less one thing and more open to the world views could be helpful. I know folks were complaining about comments joe said before like this. But if in the end if the films ends up good and gets the essence of the characters right. It shouldn't be bad.

Apologist Puncher wrote:

webhead2006 wrote:Joe was probably trying to make it sound less america is great the rest of the world sucks. Since most counties don't really like the us. So trying to be less one thing and more open to the world views could be helpful. I know folks were complaining about comments joe said before like this. But if in the end if the films ends up good and gets the essence of the characters right. It shouldn't be bad.

Well, let's ALL forget who was THE difference in WWII. You know, the period Captain America is set in? Fighting in multiple fronts, storming Normandy, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

WE need to stop cow-towing to the "international community". A foreign policy of appeasement is bullshit, and not what America is all about.

thec0l0rsblend wrote:Well, not to split hairs with you but (with the admission that I'm hardly an expert) my reading of WW2 is that it was about as much a team effort as it possibly could've been. The Americans were the deciding influence in several key theaters (without which those territories would be speaking German today) and turned the tide right when things looked their worst for the rest of Europe... but the Allies absolutely played their part.

thec0l0rsblend wrote:You're not wrong and I'm not disagreeing with you, this is just one of the few times I've seen the Europeans care about something other than smack, whores and socialized medicine. It's a nuance, yeah, but I felt like it's a worthy one.

thec0l0rsblend wrote:As it goes for Captain America, underplaying the involvement of the US in WfuckingW2 of all things to make nice with the Euros is just insane. INSANE. Hell, I wouldn't say that even if we were talking about a period JSA movie set on Earth 2 (ie, less science, more magic) but Captain AMERICA?! Are you KIDDING me?!

Apologist Puncher wrote:Come Tuesday, they are going to find out how WRONG they really are...

Ed Brubaker via facebook wrote:Captain America movie was pretty much perfect. Ballsy, brave, fun as he'll. And Chris Evans is Steve Rogers thru and thru.

By Jonathan Hickman
Captain America:
The First Avenger review

Published at 1:58 PM on July 24, 2011

Captain America: The First Avenger is the kind of awkward failure that was hinted at already this year with Marvel Comics’ Thor and nearly spelled disaster with DC Comics’ Green Lantern. While not a terrible film, Captain America lacks the edge necessary to truly capture viewers’ imagination.

The classic comic book hero Captain America (or “Cap” as he’s often called), started back in 1941, even before Pearl Harbor. Billed as a patriotic superhero, the character was a reaction to the events in Europe during World War II. After a popular run in which the book sold as many as one-million copies per month and was revived the first time during the immediate post-WWII era, Captain America was eventually brought back by Stan Lee in the 1960s in an issue of the Marvel comic The Avengers.

Cap’s origin story in the comics is far more interesting than the one presented in this big- budget extravaganza. Steve Rogers (Chris Evans), a sensitive art student and a puny physical specimen, desperately wants to join the military in hopes of fighting Hitler. Conceived in the months prior to Pearl Harbor, Rogers becomes Captain America and later goes on to combat the Nazis, primarily in the form of the evil twisted scientist Johann Schmidt, later dubbed the Red Skull.

The movie’s take on Rogers’ story fails to spend enough time telling us who he is. Played by the beefy Chris Evans, the filmmakers do make a smart decision to have Evans play Rogers both before and after his amazing transformation into Captain America. Through the use of seamless computer animation, Evans is shortened and slimmed down from hunk to 90-pound weakling. The effect is striking.

The first third of the film shows great promise, although I’d have liked to have learned more about who Rogers is, what happened to his parents (the brief explanation isn’t enough), and a little more about his artistic side. When the story moves from character development to action, though, it loses focus and credibility. Little effort is made to tighten the villain, the Red Skull (a menacing Hugo Weaving), and make him anything more than just a one-note baddie. Missing is any appreciation of Skull’s motivations and inner torment. He’s just a vicious megalomaniac with unique facial deformities. Telling his origin story with a little more definition may have made us care and even fear the guy. Compared to Sebastian Shaw in this summer’s X-Men: First Class (Kevin Bacon perfect for the role, and the script kept us guessing as to what he would do next), the Red Skull just seems dim-witted.

Captain America: The First Avenger is a bigger film than it should have been. While the period setting is the epic WWII environment, the fictitious events depicted involve one rogue Nazi hell-bent on world domination. The movie clearly wants to set-up the bigger _Avengers _film that is coming next year. And to that end, the technology employed by the Red Skull is subtly credited to the realm belonging to Thor. But since that link is kept so cloaked, some viewers will find Skull’s various machinations and hoards of faceless, futuristic, ray gun wielding henchman unbelievable. Early in the movie, the Skull acquires a mystic power source and later uses it to run his industries and weaponry. But the time compression of the script makes the development of Skull’s operations way too fast. He has not one but many enormous plants armed with guns and tanks that would rival anything created today. It’s all a little too much. By the time the action-packed conclusion comes round, the story has gone so far off the rails that viewers might have a hard time engaging.

And sadly, the action sequences aren’t really of note, especially given all the other movies that have done this sort of thing before. It’s almost as if the script runs out of ideas and fills in the gaps with one battle after the next, trading intelligence and strategy for full-frontal attacks. This is where sophisticated audiences will check out, and even groan a bit. The Red Skull’s weapons are so powerful that anything else looks like a child’s toy. And yet, over and over again, he’s thwarted by what appears to be a small group of machine-gun-toting GIs. Had Skull had a little more control of his own equipment, the whole film would have had a harder, more credible edge. Instead, director Joe Johnston, who made the better and more focused “The Rocketeer,” seems intent on impressing us with larger and larger sets, and on populating the screen with armies foreign to any known battlefield let alone the product of the WWII period.

Captain America: The First Avenger is presented in the ubiquitous 3D format, and that aspect of the film is worth talking about. Cap is armed with an indestructible shield and when he throws it at his opponents, it flies out into the audience. While this effect is solid and the images in the film are much brighter than other 3D offerings of late, it fails to save this weak Marvel comic book entry.

thecolorsblend wrote:Was there room for Red Skull to be developed? Arguably.

Apologist Puncher wrote:Now if this insecure little bitch is demanding we learn everything about Johann Schmidt, that's something completely different.

And completely fucking stupid too.

thecolorsblend wrote:I don't see the harm in more development for the guy. His origin story is kind of neat. I forget the issue but I read one once where Hitler is at a restaurant in Germany with some Nazi party officials and, bragging about how awesome he is, says he can make a Nazi true believer out of anybody. To illustrate his point, he gestures at one of the waiters in the joint, Schmidt, and says "even that guy. Take a look at him. I could make him into the PERFECT Nazi if I wanted to."

But when Schmidt walked by Hitler's table, Hitler FROZE THE HELL UP. Schmidt chilled even HITLER.

Bad motherfucker even before the serum...

EDIT- That's not saying he needs the extra screen time. I'm just saying there IS a story there. It's optional but it's fertile soil for a sequel (which I hope like hell we get with Joe Johnston directing again).

Apologist Puncher wrote:If he was Johann Schmidt at the beginning of the movie, you'd have a point. But since he wasn't, and he wasn't too concerned with Captain America for much of the movie, I will again say we learned all we needed to about him.

If they wanted to expand on him in a sequel, where he has a personal vendetta against CA, then that's completely understandable.

Apologist Puncher wrote:If 'Captain America' had bombed, you wouldn't have heard a negative word from this douche-tip. He WANTED it to fail because of his irrational hatred of Patriotic Americans, and America by extension.

Kevin went on to explain why Marvel ultimately went with Chris Evans as Captain America:

"We wanted an American."

Still, director Joe Johnston states:

“I never wanted to make this movie into something of a flag-waver. We were very careful about that when we were developing the screenplay.” It's “about international cooperation.”

thecolorsblend wrote:Was there room for Red Skull to be developed? Arguably.