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non_amos wrote:I SHOULD have new Internet service in about a week so I don't have as much time to post but couldn't resist this:

http://www.countingdown.com/movies/3893391/board?viewpost=4116365

It's not exactly like we couldn't have ween THAT one coming now is it?!

'Steve', you NEVER seem to disappoint us, now do ya? You really telegraphed THAT confirmation, now didn't ya?!

Seriously, the way those little turd-nuggets EAT his bullshit up is PATHETIC.



Once again he claims "insider knowledge" on something that was fairly obvious to happen, but tacks on an addendum stating Nolan was "taken off" of Superman. Because of all things THE WRITING.

Yeah, Inception was just a total clusterfuck, wasn't it?? WB has ZERO faith in him after consecutive blockbusters I bet.

Go choke on a bag of dicks, ArchShitForBrains.

Yeah, I know I already posted this link:

http://www.countingdown.com/movies/3893391/board?viewpost=4116365

But now let me quote 'Steve':

"But I thought I didn't know what I was talking about???

Anyone else reading between the lines yet???

Let's recap my previous info...

WB wasn't happy with the script or revisions by Nolan / Goyer so they hired Snyder to get things fixed and moving fast into production. Snyder IS the director Millar was always talking about. Another writer IS involved with the project. And now Nolan has jumped ship.

Any questions??? "

Yeah, 'Steve', you ARE the man with the plan! Now just tell us the NEXT development in the ongoing Nolanverse Superman/Batman saga. I KNOW! You'll confirm it AFTER I read it ELSEWHERE!

AP, I think you're right about our man 'STEVE'. What a dick!

yea some folks are flipping out thinking oh this means nolan does have a say or what not over the rest of the filnm. i am sure he still has a hand in casting, and will probably know what is going on during filming. This is a common thing when a producer/director is overseeing one project while working on another. He will just not be hands on. He will still probably be a big influence over the film as a whole. So i dont see anything wrong with this. plus we all know nolan as his wife said likes to focus solely at one project at a time. Plus also if supes ends up being shot near enough to where bats shoot i am sure there will be times nolans will be on set.

[quote="non_amos"]

"But I thought I didn't know what I was talking about???

Anyone else reading between the lines yet???

Let's recap my previous info...

WB wasn't happy with the script or revisions by Nolan / Goyer so they hired Snyder to get things fixed and moving fast into production. Snyder IS the director Millar was always talking about. Another writer IS involved with the project. And now Nolan has jumped ship.

Any questions??? "

Yep, I "read between the lines". And what did it say?

non_amos wrote:Yeah, 'Steve', you ARE the man with the plan! Now just tell us the NEXT development in the ongoing Nolanverse Superman/Batman saga. I KNOW! You'll confirm it AFTER I read it ELSEWHERE!

Exactly. The very minute after he reads it on another website, he'll break that sonuvabitchin story WIDE OPEN!

non_amos wrote:AP, I think you're right about our man 'STEVE'. What a dick!

I am right.

If Mark Millar were to find his way in to this movie, I, for one, would be prepared to change my "guilty until proven innocent" viewpoint. Yeah, some of Millar's writing is incredibly overrated, the man has an ego from here to Christmas and he name-drops entirely too much... but, at the end of the day, mf'er GETS Superman. Red Son and his run on Superman Adventures tell me he's the man with the tools to do the job.

I'm not saying I believe Archdickhead. Allz I'm saying is that if he fell ass-backwards into being right on the Millar thing, I'd be happy to hear the news.

I believe MY concern about Millar would be the story. Wasn't he the one who suggested a story where Superman outlives the ENTIRE EARTH & is left alone on a DYING EARTH with a giant red sun?! THAT would be MY concern, especially with the rumors due to the 'lawsuit' crapola. Puh_leazzzee tell me it's NOT so?!

I doubt millar would be on this. They got script from jonah and daivd. If any one is working on it more it would probably be them or snyder does touchup himself. As for that story millar had I wouldn't think wb would go for that one.

non_amos wrote:I believe MY concern about Millar would be the story. Wasn't he the one who suggested a story where Superman outlives the ENTIRE EARTH & is left alone on a DYING EARTH with a giant red sun?! THAT would be MY concern, especially with the rumors due to the 'lawsuit' crapola. Puh_leazzzee tell me it's NOT so?!

01- I believe that was for a trilogy.
02- I like the idea of seeing the end of any superhero tale. It's pretty rare in the comics world and his approach to it both unique and justifiable.
03- That type of conclusion would work very well if WB loses the character in 2013, as seems to be the expectation.
04- Notwithstanding, what he wants to do and what WB allows him to do are two separate things.
05- With the Siegel case in mind, my plan for a Superman trilogy is actually a hell of a lot more spiteful and mean-spirited than that so you should thank your lucky stars I'm not a WB exec.

All this to say that I'd be interested to see Millar's take on that.

On one hand I would want to see his story but on the other I rather see a regular approach taken. As for the lawsuit man I do really hate it. Cause of it there is so many what ifs going around and ultimately that could hurt future animated/live action/films. If they can't do this or that. I do really hope in the end they just drop the case and/or just make a bloody deal already. Cause from what I rather from the whole mess they would only have a partial take on supes where wb/dc has all/most of the key items. I know for me I wouldn't want to see a partial superman or a new superman recreated from just the bare basics.

thecolorsblend wrote:
03- That type of conclusion would work very well if WB loses the character in 2013, as seems to be the expectation.

I don't see this happening.

Apologist Puncher wrote:

thecolorsblend wrote:
03- That type of conclusion would work very well if WB loses the character in 2013, as seems to be the expectation.

I don't see this happening.

I agree. For a lot of reasons, a compromise will have to be reached. The two sides need each other. But until/unless the Siegels realize that...

thecolorsblend wrote:I agree. For a lot of reasons, a compromise will have to be reached. The two sides need each other. But until/unless the Siegels realize that...

The longer it goes, and the more they push it, the more money they get.

WB's suit against their attorney, and the fact that it is moving forward, will FORCE the Heir's to settle.

Watch.

I do hope the heirs can make a reasonable deal for themselfs and for wb/dc. I have no clue what wb/dc makes on character in a given yr. But I am sure its a nice size pie. So hopefully a good deal will happen.

non_amos wrote:I believe MY concern about Millar would be the story. Wasn't he the one who suggested a story where Superman outlives the ENTIRE EARTH & is left alone on a DYING EARTH with a giant red sun?!

I do remember that storyline being mooted at one point, but after what we've been through, who knows how serious it was.

Personally, I reckon we need a "feel good" take on Superman this time more than ever.

Father Finian wrote:

non_amos wrote:I believe MY concern about Millar would be the story. Wasn't he the one who suggested a story where Superman outlives the ENTIRE EARTH & is left alone on a DYING EARTH with a giant red sun?!

I do remember that storyline being mooted at one point, but after what we've been through, who knows how serious it was.

Personally, I reckon we need a "feel good" take on Superman this time more than ever.

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Now Father Finian, you make a GREAT point about us needing a FEEL-GOOD Superman film. Ya know, when WB first bought Singer's idea, I believe almost everyone THOUGHT that Singer had a good concept, except for maybe the kid. I mean, it 'sounded' FAR preferable to the previous attempts that were COMPLETELY out of character! Instead Singer was gonna give us a 'vague sequel' to Superman 2 & pretend the OTHER films (3 & 4) never existed. He was gonna use the Williams theme, etc., etc., etc. On paper it may've sounded good but we ALL know how the finished product turned out (barf-bag, please).

As far as a REAL 'feel-good' attempt, we actually GOT that with Superman 3, sort of. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that IF Donner had stayed, HIS intention was to use BRAINIAC in the 3rd film AND MR. MXYZPTLK! Or was that someone else' idea? Anyway, I remember reading that in something like STARLOG back in the day, actually BEFORE S3 was released. However, 'duh SALKINDS' wanted a HUMOROUS film with 'slapstick comedy' & decided to use RICHARD PRYOR!

I think the point of a more light-hearted film was after the SERIOUSNESS of the events in S2 then it was time to have fun. However, I think duh Salkinds dropped the ball on THIS one! Now, I don't know exactly how Brainiac would've played out but I CAN guess that MXYZPTLK would've been 'light-hearted & fun' to a degree & since he was a REAL Superman villain, the film could've capitalized on his 'hijinks'. Imagine the things Superman would've had to contend with that would've got a laugh out of the audience while simultaneously still being a SERIOUS film! But we may never know now because since this is a reboot even Superman himself will need to be re-established.

I guess the point now will be to re-establish SUPERMAN to a modern audience yet somehow still make a FUN action film that stays true to character but still fun. Remember, Singer tried to give us a 'brooding' SINGERMAN complete with all kinds of personal issues. Away with THAT crap, I say!

Yeah, the Republic will stand if we see another skinny guy moping around bleating about how much of a drag it is being Superman. No wonder Lois Lane moved on....

Honestly, Singer and company, WTF were you thinking?

Have you guys seen the IESB write up on what would've happened in Singerman 2- Man of Pleather? Basically, Brainiac is attracted to Earth by New Krypton, he ingratiates himself to the world's populace, yadda yadda yadda, The Kid dies.

I swear. The Kid. There was never going to be a chance to play into the classic mythos with The Kid in the picture. If The Kid lives, Lois is an irresponsible mother if she continues putting herself in harm's way to get the story. If The Kid dies... well, put it this way, do you know of any parent who ever gets over the loss of a child?

For all of Singerman's myriad flaws, scabs, shortcomings, weaknesses, imperfections, pleather capes, etc, it's The Kid that ultimately ruined everything as far as story, mythos and characterization are concerned. If the pederast IESB thing is accurate, Singer clearly realized the same thing. The hack.

thecolorsblend wrote:Have you guys seen the IESB write up on what would've happened in Singerman 2- Man of Pleather? Basically, Brainiac is attracted to Earth by New Krypton, he ingratiates himself to the world's populace, yadda yadda yadda, The Kid dies.

I swear. The Kid. There was never going to be a chance to play into the classic mythos with The Kid in the picture. If The Kid lives, Lois is an irresponsible mother if she continues putting herself in harm's way to get the story. If The Kid dies... well, put it this way, do you know of any parent who ever gets over the loss of a child?

For all of Singerman's myriad flaws, scabs, shortcomings, weaknesses, imperfections, pleather capes, etc, it's The Kid that ultimately ruined everything as far as story, mythos and characterization are concerned. If the pederast IESB thing is accurate, Singer clearly realized the same thing. The hack.

I just read this pathetic piece of fan-wank.

So, in the first movie, Singerman's bastard son KILLS. You know, going against EVERYTHING Superman stands for? THEN, in Singerman: Man of Pleather, SUPERMAN KILLS HIS OWN SON?? Jesus Christ, does this guy NOT know ANYTHING about Superman??

The funniest part is, Singerman Peeps NEVER makes it seem possible what happens in this supposed "sequel". Alien space ships? Krypto-dictators? Clones? Sure Apologists. Sure.

Something tells me this was written by a Singerman Apologist and nothing more. IESB was NOTORIOUS for pimping Singerman and BJ.

With guys like Sanchez starting the place, this isn't too much of a stretch.....

Totally ap. And colors yup the kid was a big problem among the other crap in sr.

Did Sanchez resurface? He is a dyed in the wool Singer sucker. Great bunch of guys to hang with next time you're in Hollywood......

What a fuckin train wreck that storyline sounds like. And again, Superman is put on the back foot, with "Krypto Dude/Brainiac" getting all the accolades....downer upon downer for Superman is compiled until finally he has to kill his own son to save Earth......woo fucking hoo! I can see people leaving the theatre with that feel good feeling again....NOT!

WTF is wrong with Singer and his boys? How about making Superman "uplifting" and a wham bam feel good, action packed film? Is that concept beyond Singer?? There is also a genuine sense of romance to the Superman mythos that the queers fail to even notice. No surprise there.

Honestly, these guys need to get their noses out of the fuckin coke and grab a dose of good old fashioned story telling sometime.

It's funny. It looks like DC's most potent weapon in previous decades is now it's greatest weakness- Warner Bros.

If a character that Marvel (ie, the movie studio) owns the rights to is adapted into a movie, it'll be Marvel (ie, the movie studio) who makes it. They therefore have a vested in interest in keeping the movie version of the character/team/whatever pretty much in line (more or less) with the comic book version. And as the studio/financier, they obviously have the juice to pull rank and make sure they get the kind of movie they want.

You don't get that with DC because DC doesn't and can't executive produce their films. That's how bullshit like Singerman ever gets off the ground. Which I'll be coming back to. Warner Bros, being a movie studio first and foremost, is more interested in serving the interests of their filmmakers than they are of protecting the legacies of their comic book characters. But for the success of TDK, I truly believe WB would've thrown in the towel. And those idiots probably would've said "durrrrr, I guess people just don't like superhero movies."

If it's a choice between winning a director's good will and maintaining a particular character's integrity... well, WB's choices speak for themselves. Batman Forever. Batman & Robin. Catwoman. Singerman. So on and so forth.

Marvel? Of the movie's they've executive produced (of which there have admittedly been only a few), I wouldn't call any of 'em bad. I'm not a big Hulk fan or anything but the Norton film did the character's history proud.

And something else? I don't think we're the only ones who look down on WB's decisions when it comes to comic book films. I mean, look, I've bashed the fuck out of Geoff Johns on occasions innumerable (and will do so again in the future). But. To coincide with the release of Singerman -- literally the month after Singerman opened in theaters -- Johns co-wrote a story where Superman, who had been absent as Superman but still active as Clark for over a year following the loss of his powers, comes back to active duty. Metropolis then has to readjust to Superman being around again after a prolonged absence. Superman then faces off with Lex Luthor, who has obtained Kryptonian technology and is using it to destroy the city.

Any of this sound familiar maybe?

Not long after, Johns co-wrote (with Richard Donner, no less) a story arc where Superman and Lois have a son (of sorts; not really their biological son because Johns, whatever his myriad fuck ups, understands what a stupid move a biological son would be. This is just a young Kryptonian boy they sheltered and played foster parents to).

At every step of the way though, the mythos are not destroyed by any of these things because Johns was mindful of Superman's legacy and, more importantly, his future. In the One Year Later/Up, Up & Away arc, Superman fought a CRAPTON of second string supervillains from his rogue's gallery, Lex destroyed a lot of Metropolis, you had tons of action and flying and rescues, etc. The kid from the Johns/Donner storyline could be safely tucked away because, at the end of the day, it's not like Lois and Clark lost their son.

I swear, it's like DC's editorial department was saying to Bryan Singer "no you fucking nitwit, this is how you do it!" Nobody will ever convince me that those two storylines are not DC editorial's answer to (and condemnation of) Singerman.

Great post. Don't forget the franchise that has the most riding on it called the shots, and at the time it was Singerman. Hence the dictate to kill off Pa Kent in Smallville and the "similar" storylines in the comics. It breeds a sort of familiarity through the various incarnations of the franchise....you know, the focus group driven bullshit way of thinking that's so prevelant these days.

It's game over for Singerman and things are taking their own path, until Snyder's version. By then Smallville would have wrapped up anyway. And hopefully set the bar pretty high.

I haven't followed this stuff in about a year but I started reading this thread when I found this site. FUNNY stuff. It is too bad no one kept a time line of predictions versus failure.....obvious guesses with "successes" etc. We could have a scorecard or something.

Remember the "insider" he got into trouble for posting on his site? I wonder if that was real or just a fabrication designed to establish some fake insider credibility.

Yea with all the folks like steve his ex wife emi and others so much news/rumors/ true/false was getting flinged out for reboot and the whole mess jlm was.