Re: 'Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice' General News

thecolorsblend Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:14 am

I rolled with Davis Bloome/Doomsday on Smallville because it preserved his Kryptonian origin in a way friendly to SV's continuity. Plus, it gave Chloe something to do that season. I wouldn't care if the Smallville approach became canonized in the comics but either way it works fine. It's not like Doomsday was a layered, carefully nuanced character in the comics and then Smallville came along and fucked it up. He was a mindless beast; all the SV showrunners did was temporarily give him a conscience.

lib Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:17 am

just a thought - if they're casting for a justice league already and they were to dye his hair lighter and if he were to grow a beard, wouldn't he be more suited to play someone like aquaman? Very Happy

Apologist Puncher Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:01 am

lib wrote:just a thought - if they're casting for a justice league already and they were to dye his hair lighter and if he were to grow a beard, wouldn't he be more suited to play someone like aquaman?

The only problem with that is, his skin is just naturally "tan" looking. If someone spends their life underwater, they don't get much sun...

thecolorsblend Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:11 am

Here's what I don't get. People are losing their shit over Gal Gadot. Too tall, too short, too big, too skinny, too this, too that. I mean, wtf? She seems okay to me, I'm sure she'll go to Gym Jones before too long, she served in the freakin Israeli military (one of the toughest in the whole world), I mean what exactly is the problem here?

Apologist Puncher Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:16 am

thecolorsblend wrote:Here's what I don't get. People are losing their shit over Gal Gadot. Too tall, too short, too big, too skinny, too this, too that. I mean, wtf? She seems okay to me, I'm sure she'll go to Gym Jones before too long, she served in the freakin Israeli military (one of the toughest in the whole world), I mean what exactly is the problem here?

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non_amos Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:23 am

You've got to remember just how some of these 'fanboys' are. It's painfully obvious if you go over to Singer Homo Hype & read the comments section after one of their articles. Things like, "I just had a nerdgasm!" Or, "What's this white sticky stuff in my underwear?!" Just take all that into account the next time you hear one of their 'protests'. Rolling Eyes

Apologist Puncher Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:52 pm

I'm predicting bullshit right here and now:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=92125

Denzel Washington Considered For Green Lantern In BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN?

The website, Nuke The Fridge, is reporting that Denzel Washington ("Carbon Copy"), is not up for the role of Lex Luthor in Zack Snyder's Batman Vs. Superman, but is actually in the running for Green Latern.
By nailbiter111 - 12/27/2013

Over the past several weeks, professional movie scoopers have been warning of misinformation being leaked out from Warner Bros. in the hopes of finding their mole(s). Perhaps this latest rumor from Nuke The Fridge is just that. Or, perhaps it's real. Who knows.

According to our source, the “Training Day” actor is being considered for the role of Green Lantern John Stewart instead. If this proves to be true, Green Lantern will join an ever growing list of members from DC’s Justice League of America that also include Superman, Batman and Wonder Women.

What's interesting, is that Denzel was involved in another Batman Vs. Superman rumor just several weeks ago. Think McFly Think reported that Denzel was up for the role of Lex Luthor. If Denzel does sign on, he'll be joined by Ben Affleck as Batman, Henry Cavill as Superman, Amy Adams as Lois Lane and Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman. Zack Snyder's Batman Vs. Superman flies into theaters July 17, 2015.

thecolorsblend Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:12 pm

Apologist Puncher wrote:I'm predicting bullshit right here and now:

I could picture Denzel having a part in the movie. The inevitable outcome of that is he'll kick ass in the role.

But Green Lantern? No. I just couldn't picture it.

Still, this is arguably the perfect excuse for a backdoor GL reboot. Basically set up that the Guardians have noticed all the superhumans on Earth and figure it's best to keep an eye on it. The best way to get there is to recruit a human to do the job. Y'know, just to make sure things don't get too out of control on planet Earth. Just pretend the Ryan Reynolds thing never happened. And I guess look for a black actor to play John Stewart since that's the shortest distance between two points if what you're trying to do is reboot.

But not Denzel. Just no.

non_amos Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:31 pm

Forget Denzel for the moment or any other big-name star they can recruit. Ya know what I think a bigger concern is here? Henry Cavill. Hey Hollyweird, remember him?! He's the dude who just played Superman. SU-PER-MAN!!!!! In what has to be one of the best superhero adaptations ever! Maybe having Batman is fine but is Wonder Woman even necessary? Save that for JLA. My concern here? That Cavill gets lost in the shuffle. Henry WHO?!

I rest my case.

Proud

thecolorsblend Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:35 pm

Cavill distinguished himself before the movie ever came out and then in the role itself. I view turning this into an ensemble as a bit of a compliment to him. Had this been done to Routh, clearly they'd be trying to bury him in the background in an attempt to rescue the franchise itself.

And had Singerman made even $100 million more worldwide, I'm not convinced they wouldn't have tried.

But as it's happening with Cavill, an actor who at this point needs no introduction, tells me a lot. They're trying to give us many characters as possible a lease on life... on Cavill's coattails. It's hard to imagine a bigger compliment they could pay him under the circumstances. Might he get lost in the shuffle? Remains to be seen. But in and of itself, I see adding these extra characters as a tremendous compliment to him, Snyder and Goyer.

non_amos Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:08 pm

Refuted:

http://batman-news.com/2013/12/28/denzel-washington-green-lantern-batman-vs-superman/

No, Denzel Washington is not Green Lantern in ‘Batman vs. Superman’

By Chris Begley on December 28th, 2013 | @BatmanNewsCom 18

I’ve been running Batman News for over three years now. I have a pretty good idea at this point as to which websites are reliable and worth reporting on and which aren’t. That’s why I was surprised to see a rumor from a website I’ve never heard of getting so much attention today.

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Nuke the fridge are a bunch of cornballs. That Denzel/Green Lantern rumor is not only laughable but straight up BBUULLSSHHIITT! RT
1:18 PM - 28 Dec 2013
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The rumor of the day is that Denzel Washington will be playing Green Lantern in Batman vs. Superman, but that’s simply not true. From what we’ve heard so far, Green Lantern isn’t even going to be in Batman vs. Superman. Like every other great actor in Hollywood, Washington’s name has been tied to the role of Lex Luthor, but we’re still waiting for Warner Bros. to confirm if the bald Superman villain will even be a part of the project.
The moral of the story, don’t believe every rumor you see online. Batman News is the premier source for Batman vs. Superman news. If there’s a big rumor that has the possibility of being true, you’ll see it here. I don’t want to see fans get excited over something that doesn’t have a chance of becoming a reality. Batman vs. Superman begins shooting in February, which means we can expect some major casting announcements and official news very soon. Stay tuned to Batman News for all the latest!

So there you go.

thecolorsblend Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:46 am

This article maybe goes far beyond the bounds of what's being discussed here. Nevertheless, I do think it's a good explanation for why patently bullshit stories like this can ever gain any kind of traction.

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/news/we-broke-the-internet

thecolorsblend Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:23 am

I've said it before but it's worth repeating. Half of the fanbase has a major boner for Marvel right now and the other half is insane. Those two factors add up to fans not wanting DC films right now. Certainly not team-up films. I don't care what kind of bullshit excuse they spin to the contrary, I've observed nothing but absolute opposition to DC team-up films since 1996. 1996! Remember the infamous Kevin Smith script based on Doomsday? Yes, the story is called "Doomsday". The "Death of Superman" is just marquee bullshit DC used on their trades for that story. The comics I bought called that storyline "Doomsday" so that's what I go by.

Anyway, so Smith wrote a script based on Doomsday at WB's behest. Among other things, it included cameo appearances by several characters, the most notable of which was probably Batman. Fans pitched a fit.

WB was working on a Superman vs. Batman film back in 2000. Fans revolted.

WB suggested a team-up film between Christian Bale and Blandon. Nolanites, Apologists and everybody in between bitched and complained.

The WB/CW TV networks announced at various points that the Legion of Superheroes, the JSA, Bart Allen, Green Arrow, the Wonder Twins and shitloads of other characters would all be coming to Smallville. The majority of people whined about it. And even of the ones that didn't, the majority had to work in their disdain for Smallville to begin with, thus their lack of concern with what Smallville does.

My point in this is that DC fans are a bunch of whiny, bratty cocks who do nothing but throw little temper tantrums. I think a big part of the reason WB is a little gun-shy about more fantastic elements in their superhero films is at least partly due to the "fans" always criticizing everything site-unseen.

To be fair, there are times when the criticism is warranted. Catwoman was dead on arrival and we all knew it. Mini-Bane was even worse in my opinion and had anything except "A Chris Nolan film" been puked onto the film's credits, the audience would've revolted. The GL movie doesn't bolster the argument but that's an outlier; the exception that proves the rule.

Fans don't want DC films. They don't want DC team-up films. For over half my life they've opposed any attempt by WB to create a shared universe. By this point, nothing will ever change my mind about this. DC fans are more insecure about being comic book fans than Marvel fans. It's as simple as that.

non_amos Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:12 am

Yeah I read that long article the other day & didn't think I'd ever get through with it LOL.

As for your more recent comments, I'm inclined to agree. But it comes back to this though I believe: 1) Marvel doesn't take themselves too seriously & 2) they don't apologize for being 'comic booky'.

I think the whole WB/DC universe is what you'd call too 'uptight'. Like you've pointed out, it's like everything has to be 'grounded'. They can't dream anymore. Everything has to have a rational explanation even though we're talking about blatant SCI-FI.

So WB/DC sit around twiddling their thumbs trying to figure out a way of escape. Meanwhile, Marvel just dives in head first & reaps the profits. I mean, they're gonna have a talking raccoon for crying out loud! And yeah, I can see the toys selling like hotcakes.

But at least we got a decent Superman film out of all this, no doubt due to Zack Snyder. Take him out of the equation though & I'll start getting nervous.

thecolorsblend Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:30 am

Yeah, and there's a guy who's been absolutely vilified. But Snyder took what I think is just a fairly decent script and made it into a FILM. Maybe not a perfect film. MOS isn't Raiders. But wtf is? Snyder knew when to go berserk with the action setpieces and when to dial things back and let shit breathe a little bit. A script doesn't tell you to do that. A script tells you what to shoot. SNYDER had to figure out how best to make that work as a film.

For his efforts he gets absolutely destroyed and there's flat out no excuse for it, especially considering that we have Singerman to compare his effort to and there's just no way to argue that Snyder fucked up 1/16th as much as Singer did. People have made that argument, of course, but they can sling their bullshit someplace else because I'm not buying it.

Anyway. Now, in my post up there, I originally attributed a good bit of this to DC fans have Little Dick Syndrome when it comes to their characters. And that may even be true. But the truth is that I think a significant portion of the shit MOS and Snyder took came from the Prima Donners who finally realized their Superman of yesteryear was being shown the door. And part of me sympathizes with them, God knows I can relate to feeling absolutely disenfranchised. But they did not go quietly into the good night and I think fandom is worse off because of it.

MOS separated Superman fans from Donner fans. It had to happen eventually; I just never knew the divorce would be as fucking bitter as it is.

non_amos Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:03 am

Interesting point there about the effect that Donnerverse has had on people. Case in point. 2 of my neighbors. One I've alluded to on here before, the other maybe not as much except to say 'we went with them to Avengers, etc.' Anywho, the neighbor not really alluded to as much, he told me his feelings right before Christmas on MAN OF STEEL. He didn't particularly like it. Keep in mind, this is a guy who made a beeline to IMAX for both Avengers & Iron Man 3 & took us with them. Originally he was under the impression it had something to do with Blandon BJ. When I convinced them otherwise both he & his wife acted like they wanted to see it but somehow I never got them to IMAX or any other theater for MOS. Couldn't afford it then, right? Yeah, right!

To continue, he saw it 'On Demand' on Cable. I'll paraphrase the gist of his discussion. He had started out saying how he liked The Wolverine which he bought on the 3-D Blu-Ray but..........it also kinda left him wanting, like it was OK but something missing. Then he turned his attention to MOS. He basically compared it as being 'bland'. Are we watching the same movie?! Anyway, here's where it turns to Donnerverse. To 'sorta' quote him, "Remember how when we were kids & we saw the first Superman movie with Christopher Reeves (yes, Reeves) & we got all excited & everything? Well, MOS didn't do that." I tried to point out how Cavill was really pumped up for the role. He agreed with that by saying the guy was 'jacked' & he agreed it was action-packed but in his opinion it's like there was something missing. He hated to call it bland but he said it was kinda bland. But you know what? Here's a guy who obviously can't let go of a film that's 35 years old! Yeah, STM was one of the great films of the 20th century but is that all we're ever gonna have?! Wrong!

Now, the other neighbor more alluded to, he told me New Year's Day he never particularly liked Christopher Reeve or those films but he LOVES MOS! His opinion is that MOS is the best Superman film ever! Keep in mind that both guys are in their 40's so there's no huge discrepancy here in what they should like in a Superman film, i.e., opinions should probably be similar since they grew up with the same thing, the same generation.

So even to this day the Donner film will not give the new guy a chance. *SIGH!*

thecolorsblend Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:43 am

I find that very easy to believe. And to tell you just how full of shit that attitude is, the first time we see Reeve as Superman in STM is when we're 40-something minutes into the movie, this is what the narrative has been building up to the entire time, it's a scene otherwise full of Superman's trademark Awe and Epic and Majesty done in a serious yet joyful style that really only Reeve could've managed.

And it's fucking interrupted by a pimp cracking jokes about Superman's uniform. The minute Superman steps out of that revolving door, the pimp's there waiting to make fun of Superman.

If you put a scene along those lines into ANY other Superman comic, movie, cartoon, whatever, people would fucking riot. And how do I know this? Because to this day people bitch and complain about a similar (but less distracting) moment in the Lois & Clark pilot where Superman is seen flying to the space shuttle and the familiar "is it a bird? is it a plane?" thing comes up and some beer-swilling redneck says "nope, it's a guy in a pair of tights and a cape".

Bring up the pimp thing in STM for comparison and Prima Donners usually say "yeah, he does kinda detract from the scene but it's SUCH a classic moment!!" Well, yeah, I've grown to enjoy it myself... but when I was a kid, I was pissed off the minute Superman made his first real appearance in the movie, some jerkwit was waiting to pounce on the serious, epic moment.

non_amos Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:17 am

And remember, in Superman II how when Superman fled from Zod & company, those 2 little kids said, "Superman didn't even do anything!" And some older guy called him a phony if I remember correctly. So I guess the thing to do is poke fun at Superman. Good thing Batman wasn't as big back then as he is now of else he'd been doing it too. Rolling Eyes

thecolorsblend Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:36 pm

Pretty much. My point is that STM didn't take Superman's debut as people are as desperate to think. I mean, I'm still unsure about whether Snyder should've shown that "learning to fly" thing in MOS but at least that didn't show some other character making fun of Superman, his outfit or his debut. That cuts through a lot of bullshit for me.

Apologist Puncher Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:03 pm

Some of it's intriguing, but I don't think any of them will turn out to be anything more than lucky guesses:

Spoiler:

thecolorsblend Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:10 pm

Some of it sounds a little fanboy wanky to me. And Batman working with the government? I could see some characters doing that but not him.

All in all, it sounds like someone imagined what a Superman equivalent of TDK might be like and invented a bunch of bullshit based on that.

Apologist Puncher Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:45 am

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/joemomma/news/?a=94765

UPDATE! MOS 2: Batsuit Reveal Pushed Back To March? Wonder Woman Costume Described
Mark Hughes, a blogger for Forbes, gave us a rumor that Warner Bros. was going to reveal the long anticipated Bat Suit and WW suit from Zack Snyder's Man Of Steel sequel in a matter of days. That may not be the case anymore! Read on for more details.
By JoeMomma29 - 2/18/2014

Kevin Smith teased (or trolled) about seeing a picture of the new batsuit and made fans anxious to see what he saw. Even Ben's wife Jennifer Garner and best friend Matt Damon have claimed they have seen the suit--or at least a glimpse. One thing they all have in common on their comments is the suit is amazing and awesome.

Then, not too long ago, blogger Mark Hughes of Forbes tweeted that we would be seeing the new Batman suit and WW costume very soon and was quoted saying "Okay, fans, get ready, a bat-suit & WW reveal seems to be imminent, as in possibly days away."

Then Mark Hughes tweeted again saying the reveal has been pushed back. His exact quote is "The delay in start of filming might push it back a tad, but I'm hearing it may drop as originally planned in next 10 to 12 days,"

Now that fans are expecting the reveal in a very short time, Hughes tweeted again a quick up date on Feb. 14 saying "FYI I'm hearing the bat-suit reveal is likely pushed back a bit due to the delay in filming. That's not confirmed, but I trust the info..." Hughes also goes to say this "The upside is, the reveal sounds like it'll be bigger & cooler than previously thought!" Hughes himself is speculating that he reveal will happen in March with no confirmation on where he got that info from.

So, with so much speculation, do you think this information is accurate and is right on with the timing of the premiere with the next 300 film?

Update: According to Hughes both the Batsuit and Wonder Woman outfit will be more conservative. Hughes is quoted on Twitter saying "The Batsuit won't reveal Affleck's nipples and the Wonder Woman costume is said to be "armored [and] not a skimpy bathing suit."

thecolorsblend Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:49 am

comicbookmovie.com wrote:Update: According to Hughes both the Batsuit and Wonder Woman outfit will be more conservative. Hughes is quoted on Twitter saying "The Batsuit won't reveal Affleck's nipples and the Wonder Woman costume is said to be "armored [and] not a skimpy bathing suit."

Was anybody worried about nipples? Geeze...

The Wonder Woman outfit being more "armored"... I don't know. Could go either way. I mean, it doesn't make much logical sense for her to go into battle in a fucking bikini. One of many reasons I've never bought much into Wonder Woman. She's supposed to be a warrior so why would she go running around in some fetishy S&M outfit like that? But, Lord have mercy, I don't want some kind of Batman-style outfit for her costume.

Still, if (A) this dude is actually telling the truth and (B) the info he's getting is legit, he's being fed an awful lot of info for pics we supposedly won't be seeing until next month. Anybody care to guess we'll see a pic of one outfit or the other before the end of this month?

Apologist Puncher Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:05 am

Hopefully they give BS a taste of his own medicine, and drop the costume reveals right around the time his next 'X-Men' trailer hits.

thecolorsblend Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:08 am

I'd be tempted to give MOS II a 3 out of 5 based on that alone if they did that.

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