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Post  non_amos on Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:01 pm

I don't believe we've yet read a real review of this film other than all the hyperbole we're seeing about it, no doubt due to all the secrecy surrounding it. However, that will no longer be so after Thursday night at midnight. So I guess we need a place to post film reviews and/or our own assessments. Interestingly I found this from a link in my e-mail & although this is not the title of the article, the line that got my attention in my e-mail was, "Why The Dark Knight Rises Fails."

http://www.esquire.com/features/man-at-his-best/dark-knight-assessment-0812?src=nl&mag=esq&list=nl_enl_mtv_non_071812_dark-knight&kw=ist#slide-1

July 17, 2012, 2:01 PM

The Superhero: The Assessment

On the occasion of The Dark Knight Rises

By Tom Chiarella

It does not embarrass me to say that I saw The Avengers by myself, on the afternoon it opened. Four days later, I took my grown son to see The Avengers again. In 3-D. It's been weeks now, and I'd see it again tomorrow.

But really: Why?

Every superhero story, franchise or not, is vaguely similar. The plot can be recounted over a single beer: Thor. Son of Odin. Crazy brother. Like a god. And a teenager. Gets locked in the fate of Earth, a planet that he protects against all reason. And there's this hammer no one else can pick up. Story doesn't get anyone in the seats.

And you can forget special effects as a drawing point. Flight is cool, but men had been flying long before Christopher Reeve first retreated to Superman's bathhouse of solitude at the North Pole. The stuff we see now in superhero movies — skies on fire, wormholes over New York, distant planetoids, legions of dirty lizard soldiers, giant galactic cloud heads — these are small bids to up the visual ante from one superhero movie to another. The giant airborne snake ships in The Avengers, clumsily swimming the concrete canyons of midtown Manhattan, knocking the corners of perfectly good rent-controlled apartments? The audience saw them in the last Transformers movie.

Here's why we go: We go for the laughs. Period. A good superhero movie inevitably features at least ten good laughs wrought from a narrative strata of self-awareness or the pure physical comedy of, say, flight and/or flights of conscience. Laughs: indifferent to angsty characterizations. Laughs: surviving lightweight philosophizing about the dread weight of responsibility and the tiresome obligations to fellow man. Laughs: timed around pure joy, because it's cool to fly (unless you're Superman, who has to find a restroom to get the red underwear all squared to the cape).

We don't laugh because they're silly contrivances, though they surely are. Nor because some B-list schmo winks into the camera to let the audience know he's bigger than the comic book he finds himself trapped in. We laugh when they get it right, as when the Hulk rag-dolls the talky villain in The Avengers over his head — bam, bam, bam into a concrete floor — then grumbles a tagline. People cheered in my theater. Both times. The laughing that followed his tagline was louder than the space guns of the dirty lizard soldiers. Why not? We were witnessing the first moment in the Hulk's heretofore wretched cinematic oeuvre in which he seemed self-aware. Laughing with the Hulk is fun.

At their best, superheroes, and the laughs that rise out of their stories, are melded in some fashion to the actor. Consider Robert Downey Jr., who inhabits Iron Man and Tony Stark so fully that the role is his forever. Downey's clear sense of humor about the conundrum of his own heroism keeps that franchise in business. The comic-book Tony Stark was a self-serious twat with a booze issue. Downey's quips, Downey's timing, even the fact of Downey himself, with all his history, up there on the screen, keep the viewer in line with the intent of the movie — it is a button-pushing lark.

This summer, Batman, The Dark Knight Rises, comes to mind. The pulpy arc of comic-book mythology disappeared from that franchise long ago. But the test remains the same: Do you laugh, even occasionally? Does the hero drive those laughs? When the football field collapses behind the zigzagging runner: funny. And apocalyptic. Anne Hathaway's flirty Catwoman throws out the movie's best one-liners. Funny. But Christian Bale's wheezy, self-tortured version of the humorless caped crusader crushes laughs. The failure is self-seriousness, the death knell of the superhero, and it falls utterly on the actor. Bale doesn't let the light in. And like my dad — a real superhero — always muttered to me as I slept away the mornings of my adolescence: "Keeping the blinds drawn doesn't keep the sun from shining its ass off somewhere else."

If one out of every five superhero movies succeeds, then it is for one reason only: They let the light in; they reveal simple threads of self-awareness in the midst of the storm of hyperbole. They find a laugh even with some plasma spear pushed against their throat, with a doomsday device deep in their countdown. That's where we are these days, all of us, spear to throat. For us, as for the superhero, it's difficult to move forward without a sense of humor. See Iron Man, see Black Widow, see Bruce Banner, see Peter Parker. Ass-beat by sand giants, they still wisecrack, but most of all they get up and stay with it.

Meanwhile, I'll point out that the Amazing Spider-Man hoots as he dive-bombs the city. Fun. An evocation of joy. Indulgence. You name it. Joy matters, too, in the draw of superheroes. Also note that Spider-Man subdues bad guys by ejaculating a gooey white web from the frenum of his uncocked wrist, in what has to be contemporary cinema's greatest ever ode to wet dreams. Gross. Funny. The kind of laugh that promises more. And the reason why I'll pony up for a ticket to a dark room on a day the sun is otherwise shining its ass off.
So I guess you could summarize & say that the reason THE AVENGERS works, as well as Marvel's films in general, is because they're not ashamed to be too 'comic booky' & they also don't mind interjecting a few laughs either. And the audience eats it up. However, with duh Nolan's Bat-films, there might be some humor but I guess you're hard-pressed to find it in the title character as per Bale's version, what with the gravely voice, the brooding & even the whole 'ultra-realism' that duh Nolan forces upon us. So for what is supposed to be a serious 'comic book' film, instead we get 'serious drama'. Just like your usual mafia flick.

Avengers? Inspiring! Nolan's Batman? Depressing! And I think that's the point the guy was trying to make.
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Post  webhead2006 on Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:07 pm

Some nice stuff in that artixle and I agree with you non. That is what I love about the marvel films they take the characters and develop real worlds and action in them and then thrrush heroes/others in crazy situations and they still make you believe in them and feel real. That I striking balance I love to see dc/wb get with future attempts with characters. As for nolan I said it before he did bring good ideas/thoughts and filming to batman and bringing the character back from the dumpps joel s put it in. But on otherr hand blows nolan stripped the more comicbooky stuff away. I am seeing tdkr midnight Thursday. So after film is out I will be posting my thoughts on it.
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Post  thecolorsblend on Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:56 pm

non_amos wrote:Avengers? Inspiring! Nolan's Batman? Depressing! And I think that's the point the guy was trying to make.
I'd need to dig the link back up but I read somewhere that Nolanites are making death threats to reviewers who dare speak ill of a movie only they have seen.

Because, y'know, God forbid somebody else have a different opinion. No no, we need to all think the same thoughts, speak the same ideas and love the same things. They'll make good little communists someday, the assholes.
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Post  Apologist Puncher on Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:20 pm

thecolorsblend wrote:
non_amos wrote:Avengers? Inspiring! Nolan's Batman? Depressing! And I think that's the point the guy was trying to make.
I'd need to dig the link back up but I read somewhere that Nolanites are making death threats to reviewers who dare speak ill of a movie only they have seen.

Because, y'know, God forbid somebody else have a different opinion. No no, we need to all think the same thoughts, speak the same ideas and love the same things. They'll make good little communists someday, the assholes.

It's at 86% at RT, a BROS. WARNER OWNED WEBSITE. Now, usually films start out with a high Critic Score, then it falls as more and more people see it. It's interesting that that isn't the case here.

Here's an excerpt from the New York Observer, and from the man who had a cameo in 'Superman The Movie':

Speaking lines they cannot possibly understand, not one actor makes any attempt to be believable. So manufactured and synthetic that they eventually lose all sense of reality, they're like reconstituted orange juice and processed cheese.
Rex Reed
New York Observer

The guy OBVIOUSLY doesn't hate comic book films, and yet this was his response.

I'll make up my own mind, but I see a loooong future of Nolanites "apologizing" for this film.....

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Post  Comicbookfan-V2 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:16 am

thecolorsblend wrote:I'd need to dig the link back up but I read somewhere that Nolanites are making death threats to reviewers who dare speak ill of a movie only they have seen.

Already got you covered...

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/dark-knight-rises-pans-inspire-death-threats-shuts-164809930.html

But here's the direct quote from the article anyway...

Illustrated by Meriah Doty from Yahoo! Movies:

‘Dark Knight Rises’ pans inspire death threats, site shuts down comments

When it came to posting first reviews of "The Dark Knight Rises" on the aggregation site Rotten Tomatoes, editor-in-chief Matt Atchity says he and his staff were prepared for the worst: "...I knew full well that when the first negative review came in, the reviewer would get pasted in the comments," he wrote in a statement.

Atchity and his staff decided to temporarily disable comments on Rotten Tomatoes' "TDKR" page after death threats -- directed at a reviewer who panned the much anticipated film -- were made.
The threats were initially directed at the first negative review that was posted on the page -- written by Marshall Fine -- who we noted as a dissenting voice earlier this week in our reviews roundup.

Some comments used lines in the movie to take joking jabs at Fine: "...quoting Bane's line to Batman that Fine's punishment 'must be more severe' and that they didn't give him 'permission to die' yet. Others were more direct in their hatred. One comment, since removed, kindly requested Fine 'die in a fire.'"

"As expected, we saw a mountain of comments come in about [Fine's] review, and we're policing them to make sure they're in line with our TOS [terms of service]. Broadly speaking, threats and hate speech will get your commenting privileges revoked," Atchity wrote, adding that the site is exploring alternative avenues for commentary. "We're probably going to move to a Facebook-based commenting system that doesn't allow for anonymity. You'll have to stand by your comments, just like a critic does."

Other negative reviews of the film, while in the minority, have been written by Christy Lemire of the Associated Press who said the film "feels overloaded," and Nick Pinkerton of the Village Voice who wrote that "TDKR" is "a shallow repository of ideas."

Some have speculated that negative reviewers are simply seeking attention. But Atchity told Yahoo! Movies, "It's extremely rare that we have any proof of someone writing a dishonest review just to get attention. If and when we see that, we address it with the reviewer."

"TDKR" has so far received overwhelmingly positive response from critics. Rotten Tomatoes currently rates "TDKR" at 86 percent on their "Tomatometer" -- which has aggregated reviewer response to the film. While impressive, the rating is not quite as high as the one "Marvel's The Avengers" ultimately settled on -- 92 percent positive response.

But reviews are still being filed, so there is still time for the score to -- like Batman -- rise.


You know I too find it pathetic that some people would send death threats just for a negative review over a film that assumingly they havent' seen yet! And this is coming from somenone who happens to be sort of a Nolanite, and yes you definitly read that part right!


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Post  thecolorsblend on Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:37 am

Apologist Puncher wrote:I'll make up my own mind, but I see a loooong future of Nolanites "apologizing" for this film.....
For as much lip service as I pay to facts and reason, to me the ultimate trump card will be my own thoughts. TDK? I'm not impressed. Or at least not as impressed as everybody else. Go ahead, cite all the box office stats, glowing critical reviews, etc. I still didn't like it.

Something tells me TDKRises will be much the same.
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Post  James Stocks on Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:07 am

They're likely a bunch of 10 year olds learning how to cuss for the first time.

If these idiots actually lived up to their death threats then Armond White would have been shot dead long long ago.
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Post  webhead2006 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:14 pm

Man fans/nolanites which crraazy ohn rt and caused them to block comments. Some folks juust get to crrazy.
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Post  non_amos on Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:31 pm

I'm hoping to be able to make it to a regular theater Friday afternoon for not only a matinee price but with a 'movie money code' printout for 5 bucks off so I should be able to see Hardly Bane for hardly nothing. But I know Webhead & possibly others will see it before me. I don't mind spoilers! Label it as such, whatever, where I have to click on it to read it, but definitely tell me what to expect. Like if Batman and/or Bruce Wayne dies for example. Or how come duh Nolan claims no one will be able to follow his work? Just let me know the real finality of this thing. Impatient! Exclamation
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Post  Apologist Puncher on Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:49 pm

Harry Knowles has some serious issues with 'Rises':

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/57109

Harry is profoundly disappointed with DARK KNIGHT RISES!
Published at: Jul 19, 2012 2:05:27 AM CDT

SPOILER ALERT !!

Profound disappointment.



Those are the two words that absolutely encapsulates the feeling I have at this exact moment.



I loved THE DARK KNIGHT. Since its release, I’ve watched it perhaps a good dozen times already. The only reason I want to see DARK KNIGHT RISES again, is to see the MAN OF STEEL trailer in front of it.



Make no bones about it – Nolan captures majestic imagery from time to time, but mostly it feels like he’s bored with the story and the characters. He and his brother have constructed a film which seems overtly designed to piss off anyone that loves this world and this group of characters.



I fucking love BATMAN. You’ll see the excitement I had when I taped my show last week. I’m practically vibrating with enthusiasm to see the movie. That was absolutely the case when I pulled up to the Bob Bullock IMAX here in Austin today. I showed up two & a half hours early for a film that I reserved seats for. Why? Because what if something went wrong? What if somehow, I didn’t get to see it? I can’t live with that, so I showed up early. I showed up early to talk with my friends, and there wasn’t a single bit of hesitancy about how much we thought we were going to love this.



After the Schumacher years, we fans of BATMAN greeted Nolan with open arms. Bringing a man known for his love of Film Noir and classical cinematic techniques… it was a marriage made in heaven. The first in the series was a wonderful start to the franchise. I liked it completely. DARK KNIGHT – DARK KNIGHT I found to be revelatory. At every level I loved it. There’s not a second of the film I don’t love.



DARK KNIGHT RISES…



The set up would have us believe that after the events of THE DARK KNIGHT, that Batman hung his cape and cowl up, because apparently the death of Harvey Dent triggered a series of sweeping law enforcement initiatives that completely shut down organized crime in Gotham. Some HARVEY DENT act was passed which apparently made it so criminals would never be paroled or set loose. So crime is no longer a problem in Gotham.



That isn’t why BATMAN has hung it up, it’s actually because of Maggie Gyllenhaal’s character death in THE DARK KNIGHT.



BULLSHIT!



I call absolute BULLSHIT on that notion right there. BATMAN/BRUCE WAYNE isn’t some soft-hearted slob that hides for the majority of a decade because somebody killed his girlfriend. If anything, that’s why he hits the street. The elimination of organized crime isn’t what pulls him off the street… it’s stopping street crime, any crime. He fights in the night so the only people that fear the streets at night are the cockroaches that prey upon fucking humanity. He’s fucking BATMAN. BATMAN doesn’t mope around his mansion unmotivated to participate in the fucking world. He isn’t that kind of person.



We discover Bruce walking around with a cane in his mansion. Seemingly still fit, but when he catches Selina Kyle stealing his mother’s pearls… He gets his legs swept and she heads out a window while he looks like a completely lost person. Bullshit.



Alfred leaving Bruce Wayne to handle this mess himself. Bullshit. Alfred Pennyworth is there to the bitter end. It’s his nature. Loyalty. Alfred is Bruce’s witness. The man who never fails to pick him up after a scrap. A man that would watch him fall, just to put him back together again. ALFRED does not throw a hissy and runs off. And certainly Bruce Wayne isn’t the type to let a letter by an ex-lover come between him in Alfred. TOO MUCH WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE.



BANE – I’m the guy that originally championed Tom Hardy as being in anything, because I fucking love Tom Hardy. Watching his performances in films from BRONSON to now – he’s never disappointed. He doesn’t disappoint here, the disappointment comes from Bane utter lack of ferocity. The fights are all toe to toe fights, Batman doesn’t use his environment. Bane never gets super-strength. Though apparently they can punch into marble & knock chunks of it out – but the multiple fights between BANE & Batman are the exact opposite of cinematic. They’re tracking shot fights. You never feel the blows. Every punch Mr. T or Ivan Drago threw in a Rocky movie would devastate BANE. The intelligence that Tom Hardy plays into BANE is good, but at no time do I get the sense that he’s on, oh, say… DOC SAVAGE’s scale – the character upon which BANE was originally built. No, this Bane, like in Schumacher’s BATMAN & ROBIN is again revealed to be a pet… essentially a guard dog. BANE is no longer South American. You never get a sense of the character’s ferocity. Every neck snap – every destruction of a human being is done off camera. The punches where he cracks Batman’s cowl are the only ones that elicited an audible reaction from the crowd. Every fight that Stallone has ever fought in any film in which he’s ever fought – is better than this. Taking VENOM out of the equation… taking the Superhuman out of Bane, the hoses into his body, the impossible physique it creates… it just makes it look like Batman is a pussy. Making Ra’s Al Ghul responsible for BANE’s training – is enraging. That for a bit, they want us to believe Bane is the son of Al Ghul…. Well I found that fairly fucking insulting too.



BATMAN/BRUCE WAYNE – I like Christian Bale’s performance as this character. I hate where the Nolan’s took his character for this story. The “breaking of his back” is handled in a manner of least power. I mean, if you know the KNIGHTFALL story – you’re gonna roll your eyes. After the film, I went out to dinner with some friends that attended and the aggravation with the film was felt throughout the table.



I love this character. One of my best friends is Paul Dini, he was a groomsman at my wedding. I’ve spent countless geeky conversations talking Batman and these characters with him – and watching this “FINAL” story play out. It’s just fucking ridiculous.



I put SPOILER WARNINGS ALL OVER THIS – BECAUSE I HAVE TO DISCUSS THE ATROCIOUS END OF THIS TRAVESTY…. But this is where I’m going to go into it. So do not scan down, do not read the talkbacks. If you want to know – go ahead, but steer clear otherwise….













































OK – now we’re talking about the final act of the film. OH WAIT – before that, let’s get into the boring as fuck middle of this travesty. The first act of the film is slowly building the coming of BANE. Gotham has come upon a new day, crime free. So they’re completely unprepared for what’s coming. The Football incident we’ve seen in the trailers, yeah… That is indeed the biggest thing that happens in the film. Bane doesn’t blow up the city, buildings do not topple. That straight up shot of the city going to pieces and the light becomes the bat symbol? That’s just a promo image – we never see that scale of devastation. No, what happens is that Bane blows all the bridges but one. Basically turning Manhattan into an island. He’s got a bomb that’s blast radius of 6 miles essentially means – everyone on the island will die… eventually. Bane introduces his master plan at that football game, rolls out the largest Nuke device I’ve seen in a flick since the original bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Only one person in the world can disarm it and Bane kills him in front of everyone, telling the world that there is a regular citizen in the city with the trigger… but the device will go off all on its own in like 90 days or so.



At this point BATMAN is in a prison somewhere in the world (shot in India – it’s supposed to be the same place that BANE was raised in – but is definitely not Caribbean in nature) This is done so quickly that you’re not really sure how or when exactly Bane decided to take Bruce Wayne to the other side of the world, before flying halfway around the world again to destroy Gotham. His back apparently has a vertebrae protruding out of socket, but after the prison chiropractor hits the vertebrae back in place, it just takes Wayne a few weeks to get back on his feet.



Meanwhile all the Gotham police are stuck in a sewer for the same amount of time, but don’t worry they’ll emerge looking clean and healthy. Except for Joseph Gordon Levitt and Gary Oldman’s wounded Commissioner Gordon… oh and Matthew Modine. I’m not real sure what the brilliant plan by the cops where – to send every cop in the city all through the same entrance of the sewer – all at the same time was. But there’s not much brilliance at play here.



Bane’s holding the entire city hostage – and if anyone from anywhere tries to do anything, ka-boom. Not real sure how the citizenry of any city would get behind a Lord Humongous type, especially if his way of introducing himself was to blow up your local football team – athletes that apparently people paid to watch play – and at the very least – you’ve fucking ruined the game they came to watch.



When the film hits this section, logic goes every which way. You never really get a sense of the passage of time. Apparently garbage pick up is still going on, because the streets don’t seem clogged. In fact, everything seems to be running fairly normal – even if you’ve been cut off from the world. There’s some FEMA trucks with supplies.



It is just at this stage that the film loses all sense of urgency. I mean, you have a city with a strange respirator men with an army of thugs and every hardened criminal in the city – and it doesn’t end up looking like Old Detroit from ROBOCOP? I mean – there’s 1000s armed bad guys and the city isn’t being raped and pillaged. Instead they set up courts to make people walk on ice?



Anne Hathaway is fine in the role, but Catwoman is more or less just a jewel thief with a dislike for the well off folks of the world, but she never gets the showy scenes or lines that Michelle had in BATMAN RETURNS. She doesn’t particularly seem to have any history, besides files to be read, but little of it can be read upon her. Certainly not enough to justify what allegedly in going on at the very end of the film. But more on that later.



Joseph Gordon Levitt is the best single thing about the film. Until they call him ROBIN at the end, where I just call BULLSHIT, but even before that because man – if you thought there were multiple endings in RETURN OF THE KING, wait for all the reveals at the end of this.



At the point where we got a shot out of TRUE LIES (which did it better) of a Nuclear Blast off in the distance. First off – given what we know of radiation – there’s a very good chance that everyone in Gotham is gonna have cancer over the next few decades of their lives. But what is it with heroes and atomic bombs these days. Everyone seems to be pulling an Iron Giant.



Of course any of that emotion is bullshit, because the way this movie takes back anything definitive throughout the rest of the film…. Well, it’s like it wants to say… “Haha, we didn’t mean it. They’re all ok! See see, we could do another one if we ever wanted to!” The film just didn’t have the courage of its convictions.





And no, I didn’t want fucking BATMAN to stay dead. I think it’s bullshit to even try to claim you’ve killed a Superhero. I don’t want TRILOGIES – I want sustained series – like what we have with JAMES BOND. But I’m happy they want to end THIS Batman series.



Nolan is so caught up on making it real, that he only makes it real mediocre. We have a Utility Belt in this film that never has anything of particular use upon it. The toe to toe fight with Bane is the most unBatman fight you’ll ever see in your life. The choreography was not dynamic. The character motivations all feel like scripted bullshit. By the time Batman is completely disabled by a 2.5 inch blade in the lower rib area… My eyes were exhausted with rolling – and there was so much more to come.



Then when they decide to unveil Talia al Ghul – and then just apparently kill her. And yeah – it just pissed me off. Talia Al Ghul is a great character. Here… she’s just a convenient plot twist. That’s all.



Liam Neeson’s cameo hallucination is also vaguely unnerving. Especially since he looks older and his beard is styled differently, but maybe Bruce’s imagination is just really good at that sort of thing.



For all the talk about this being the END of Batman. For all the talk that this will be impossible to follow for any filmmaker. They’re insane.



This isn’t an embarrassing chapter. But it is by far the most inept of Nolan’s run. The lack of impact this film gave me was genuinely shocking.



When the rep asked me for my thoughts immediately after the film, I was at a full head of steam and spouted that I thought it was a fucking waste of $250 million and BATMAN. It’s just such a deflating film.



At least if you know the kind of stories and action that are inherent to this property. I found the film to be, essentially a mess. I expected a lot more out of this. A lot more. I found it to feel exactly like what happens when someone that thinks they’re better than the source material gets a hold of something and just is in the process of washing their hands with it.



Ultimately I’m sure many will enjoy it. Already I’ve heard from friends that have enjoyed it. I’m not sure why all my friends that I saw it with tonight came out angry at the film, while they loved it and were completely smitten.



There is no apocalyptic vision on display here. Pretty sure more people actually died in THE DARK KNIGHT. That film was certainly a much sharper tale – and nobody comes close to delivering the iconic performance that Heath Ledger did.



Let’s find a director that loves Batman, that gets the different ages of the character, the different scopes that the character plays on – and doesn’t do something so plainly one note. There’s some beautiful shots here, the stunt work is exceptional on a couple of key things. I like most Bruce Wayne moments, until he’s in the prison, which is just ridiculous bullshit start to finish. Love Joseph Gordon Levitt’s character, Gary Oldman’s Gordon – like Anne Hathaway, but Bane as the Lord Humongous – just didn’t do it for me. The film felt exhausted, Nolan repeats so many themes, as though he had nothing new to explore. That’s a good reason to leave the series, but really – after watching it, I wish Nolan had left at two like Burton. Maybe 2 is the lucky number for BATMAN directors. BUT nobody should ever try to continue their work, just start over from scratch.



We need someone that isn’t afraid of any aspect of the Batman universe. Someone that knows that MANBAT & CLAYFACE could be awesome. A BATMAN movie doesn’t have to hinge on saving the whole of a city. Nor the world. BATMAN can be about something that happened in a single night, or over years. BATMAN is incredibly flexible – and BATMAN doesn’t give up. He isn’t a quitter. He is so much more than what Nolan has made him. So much more than Hollywood has even begun to hint at.



We haven’t seen a BATMAN movie that kicked RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK’s ass. But we could. One day. BATMAN deserves so much more style and flourish than this drab flick.



If some how you find you love the film and were blown away. I envy you. If you did love the film – if you think this just kicked everything you’ve seen this year away. I beg you, go to a comic shop, buy some BATMAN comics… Order the BATMAN ANIMATED SERIES… Play ARKHAM ASYLUM. Learn more about the character, you’re going to smile so much. This really is in many ways the greatest character in the history of comics – and he’s so much more than what the feature films that Hollywood has given us. DARK KNIGHT is the pinnacle. Somebody, kick its ass… I dare ya.

Interesting that someone who gushes over 'TDK' doesn't like this one. At all....

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Post  thecolorsblend on Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:52 pm

I can't remember the last time I read Knowles write a negative review, much less such a scathing one. Nolan is the golden boy right now. Knowles is Hollywood's bitch so for him to come out against Nolan like this should tell you just how much he must have really hated this movie. I don't think too many people would've blinked twice if he'd said "it was okay but nowhere near the level of TDK". He didn't have to be this toxic. It'd take a thousand (or more) such reviews before I could ever respect Knowles but you have to admit he's hit on something here. Gotta give him that much.
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Post  Apologist Puncher on Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:06 pm

thecolorsblend wrote:I can't remember the last time I read Knowles write a negative review, much less such a scathing one. Nolan is the golden boy right now. Knowles is Hollywood's bitch so for him to come out against Nolan like this should tell you just how much he must have really hated this movie. I don't think too many people would've blinked twice if he'd said "it was okay but nowhere near the level of TDK". He didn't have to be this toxic. It'd take a thousand (or more) such reviews before I could ever respect Knowles but you have to admit he's hit on something here. Gotta give him that much.

People were ripping him, and usually rightfully so, as usual. But he responded with THIS, which should tell you a lot:

Jul 19, 2012 3:34:17 AM CDT
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Guys - y'all want to get into this? Let's go.

I produced the COMIC CON EPISODE IV: A FAN'S HOPE. Thomas Tull brought me on for that. Thomas Tull is the head of LEGENDARY - which made DARK KNIGHT RISES. I have a toy of me, there's 20,000 toys of me, because of Tull. Not only that, but LEGENDARY just bought NERDIST, so in a way - he's financing my show on NERDIST. SO me shitting on this film. It's probably the stupidest thing imaginable to do - EXCEPT - it is how I feel. And I'm not happy about it. Watch the show tomorrow morning. I do a preview of the film, which is honestly exactly how I felt going in. Tomorrow I tape with Quint... who also saw DARK KNIGHT RISES tonight.

I would love to love this film exactly as I loved DARK KNIGHT. But I can't. I can't even pretend to. It has nothing to do with anything other than how I reacted to everything in the film.

I love the way Batman's THE BAT flies and swoops - and there's one shot where he is landing on this rooftop with Catwoman that seriously evokes awesome. BUT there are far too few of those.

I'm also developing a film at LEGENDARY. I have every reason in the world to phone in a smile. But I never have and I never will. My tastes may suck next to your awesome opinion some days, but it is my opinion.

Sounds like he had everything to lose by saying what he did, but he still did it. Where there's smoke....

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Post  thecolorsblend on Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:40 am

Yep, exactly my point. He's the "I love Jar Jar Binks" guy. He didn't win any brownie points for this. I don't usually respect a movie review from him because who the hell knows in what way his opinion is biased but we KNOW he had every reason to play nice for this review. And chose not to. We've all spent the last, what, year? Or more? bashing on TDKRises is liable to be. Strange. I never thought Knowles of all people would take our point of view.
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Post  webhead2006 on Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:39 am

Ok guys just got out of seeing the film at my midnight screening. I just saw it in regular theater due to imax sold out aawhile back. The theater I was in waas packed same for the whole theater in general parking lot was a mad house trying to get out.. but to the film itself. I liked it and it did have some good scenes and acting. But I do felt it dragged a lot in the middle of the film and its near three hr length was sure felt. Unlike say asm or avengers it didn't seem to feel long.

Pros- I liked anne and levitt as selina and john bblake. There where a grreat addition to the cast. And had solid development through the film and worked well with the cast during scenes.

The bat was pretty cool flying machine and had some great scenes in the film. Even though I hated the name of it. But its creation and use was good. Same with the chase scenes in the film. Well shot. And I did like the opening plan kidnapping felt right out of a bond film.

I also liked the new batcave it looked really nice and loved the enterance frrom the house via a piano that was a cool touch. Same with having blackgate prrision from the comics. I did enjoy little nods like that. And enjoyed cilivian cameo as drr. Crane being judge for bane trials he was a delight to see. Same goes for neson as ras appearrances.

The ending was an interesting reveal of things john being aa robin algamate and bruce living and being with selina. And I did like he gave his house to orphans of the city.

Cons. The movie dragged a lot in the middle portions of the film. Bane voice .was still crappy in film. But I did like we could understand him better. But his accent was odd. Only like his voice during stadium scene on the mic. Also as nice as the two bane fights where. They didn't really have that much umph and phaze like we seen in other hero movies. And I didn't like the whole deal with mask kept pain out of bane. I did like thought his speed/algiity and viciousness.

The whole 8 yr jump I thought was not needed. It should have been a yr or so. And batman should have been still fighting crime in the shadows and gordon having a task force after him. And could have been chasing him from the start of the film. Also it took an hr in to have bruce back in the suit. Which was far to long I say. Also the whole deal of bruce giving up the fight was played all wrong. Bruce of the comics wouldn't have done that.

Overall I did like and enjoyed the film. Great visuals through out the film. Good special effects. I liked the batsuit this time more then in tdk and liked how deeper black it looked to me. And acting was solid. Just story points could have been a little better. And with the final moments of the film so left it open for another film. But since we know nolan doesn't want to do any more. He shouldn't have had ending like that I say. But ratings wise I give it a solid 7 out of 10. I did enjoy story/overall film more with avengers/spide then tdkr but it was still a some what decent effort out of nolan in wrrapping up his take minus my faults I pointed out above.
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Post  BHoward on Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:28 am

Ok, the title of the thread says spoilers possible. Delete if this is too much.

Well, of course Nolan fans have double standards. They beat the drum about how realistic his take on The Batman is and how he can't fight along with or against aliens, but they are OK with him surviving a nuclear blast. That ruined every good thing that came before it.

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Post  non_amos on Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:18 pm

Like I said in another thread, I went to see THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Friday night but have yet to post my feelings on this. Now that I am, I hope to be brief but is that even possible?

Let me state this up front. In spite of the glaring flaws of the film, Nolan still manages to suck the viewer into his world with his dynamic storytelling style. When I saw THE DARK KNIGHT I found myself 'on the edge of my seat a lot, anticipating what was coming next. Duh Nolan managed to somehow pull this out of me again, only not as much as then. Nevertheless I found the effect to still be there even if diminished. But isn't that what he does with his films anyway? Reels you in with hooks & all?

With that being said, let's now get to the heart of the matter. Half-way through the film I had to pee so badly I was tempted to get up & go anyway. Most films I just hold it. However, I had to sit through 25 minutes of commercials & previews & then the film started. I was still OK for a while but probably near the middle of the film I was starting to squirm. But didn't Nolan suck me into his world with his dynamic storytelling? Maybe so but I was still tempted to make a pit-stop anyway regardless of what I missed. But I didn't go until the credits rolled. The point is though is how tempted I was to go anyway during that tiresome middle part. Just making a point I guess.

As for the film itself, I don't think this was the right way to end this franchise. OK, I can see the point that duh Nolan is trying to make here. He's coming 'full circle' with this story he started. Let's examine that for a moment.

In BATMAN BEGINS, instead of 'blowing his load' with the 1st film by using THE JOKER & then all downhill from there, instead he used lesser known villains & slowly built up to the Joker. At the time I was impressed with that approach because it was taking a chance, right? I mean, people expect the Joker up front. But instead we got Scarecrow & Ras Al Ghul. And at the end we got a teaser about the Joker. So I was pumped at the time. Little did I know though the 'realistic' take that Nolan would take with the Joker though. But back on subject, I said full circle. See, it relates back to Begins. Then we had Ras Al Ghul & the League of Shadows intent on destroying Gotham City. In TDK we got a breather from that. It was more inspired by the whole Mob aspects of the storyline. And I think we all know that Nolan originally intended to have the Joker for the 3rd film but Ledger's death prevented that & he would not recast! He actually didn't even want to do a 3rd film anymore, not unless he could come up with a good story.

So what Nolan did was go back to the story he started in Begins essentially. In this case have Ras' offspring exact revenge for him. Another attempt to destroy Gotham. Finish the job. Full circle! So I guess the rumors of Marion Cotillard playing Talia were true after all, in spite of the denials. And 'Bane' turned out not to be a child after all but his origin was mutilated nevertheless. So Nolan feels like he came 'full circle' with his trilogy & maybe from a storytelling point, he did. But remember, this is a BATMAN film, i.e., a superhero film. I think Bats' universe should've come before all this mess.

And let's look at Hardly Bane for a moment. The voice still sucked, no lie! And correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they did use 'camera tricks' in some cases to make Tom Hardly appear larger than he really was. When fighting Batman he looked about the same size. However, remember the Wall Street guy whose face he ripped off, off camera of course? He towered over that guy & looked large! But ain't Hardly about 5'8"? So it had to be camera tricks.

I may post more later when I have time but let me say this. I don't think that this was the right way to end this franchise, not the right choice of villains, anything. Hopefully more on this later.


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Post  webhead2006 on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:41 pm

Non the voice did still suck. I commented on that in my review. But I waas happy we coould at least understand what bane was saying in scenes. As for height he from what I recall of the film pretty much was just same height as bale. Which I still hated. I know nolan wanted a reaslistic take and all. But there was still ways they could have done venom and muscle mass on harrdy. For me the highlights of the film was john and selina. And simular to you towaarrds the middle of the movie I was getting antsy not for going to bathroom. But more like uurgh how much longer is left and peaking at phone for time.
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Post  thecolorsblend on Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:07 am

01- Everybody probably comes up with a biography for various superheroes and their end points. For Superman, I subscribe to the Grant Morrison school that says he checks out not long after Lois passes away. He's leaving Earth... probably for good. Spider-Man? Now there is a guy who's gonna die in the line of duty. Power and responsibility and all that. But Batman? In my personal biography of the character, Bruce would some day peaceably retire from the gig. He wouldn't be scared out of it, he'd simply realize his parents wouldn't have wanted that life for him. Is that what we saw in TDKRises? Arguable at best.

02- Batman survived a nuclear explosion. As someone else has said, you just have to love Nolan's commitment to realism!

03- Two more villains got whacked this time out. For those keeping score, that's Ra's al-Ghul, Two Face, Bane and Talia. I'd better not hear any more shit talk from the Nolanites about how their films preserve the villains.

04- What's the end game of Occupy Wall Street? Look no further than The Dark Knight Rises.

05- "Nolan forces the viewer to come to his level; he won't appeal to the lowest common denominator". That's the official Nolanite retort when someone points just how the fuck difficult it can be to parse Bane's dialogue. But, hey, you better make sure you do a flashback to Gordon comforting Bruce after the Wayne murders. And you'd better have Gordon say "Bruce Wayne". Y'know, just to be sure everyone's getting it.

06- I'm ready for a Batman reboot.
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Post  thecolorsblend on Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:11 pm

I should add that as a first impression, I like TDKRises more than TDK. Granted, I don't think that's setting the bar all that high. If I see it again, maybe I'll subject it to the same scrutiny I put TDK to and we'll see which one is stronger in the end.
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Post  non_amos on Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:13 pm

thecolorsblend wrote:I should add that as a first impression, I like TDKRises more than TDK. Granted, I don't think that's setting the bar all that high. If I see it again, maybe I'll subject it to the same scrutiny I put TDK to and we'll see which one is stronger in the end.

I didn't. Like I said, I felt Nolan was 'reeling me into his world' again, in spite of the film's flaws, but not on the same level with TDK.

One reason for this I believe is TDKR's 'piss-poor' villains. Hardly Bane is just that, hardly. I know I've called Heath Ledger's Joker 'pseudo-Joker' & when you take into account the comics version as well as the 1989 Burton film, I have a point. Nevertheless Ledger's portrayal, for better or worse, still represented the Joker. I mean, sure there were changes but you could still tell who it was supposed to be. Hardly Bane? Hardly! He was like a pit bull let loose or something. Might have been vicious but looked nothing like the character. And let's face it, this was a piss-poor choice of villains anyway after the Joker! They at least could've used Riddler or Penguin or someone like that. Look at Anne Hathaway. She did an acceptable job as Catwom------, er, I mean Selina Kyle, the 'cat burglar' & jewel thief. Got to keep realism here. Wink And she was more of an 'anti-hero' than a villain anyway. She also couldn't have carried the film by itself but Hardly Bane certainly wasn't the one to fill the void. I know Nolan came 'full circle' & all but I just think so much more could've been done with this story.

06- I'm ready for a Batman reboot.

You're preaching to the choir here dude! I'm just concerned at this point that with duh Nolan, unlike the previous Bat-franchise, he's been extremely successful. Instead of having 2 knock-outs & 2 duds, he instead hit it out of the park all 3 times as far as the fans are concerned as well as the general public. I prefer a reboot too but how long exactly are we gonna have to wait? 10 years?
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Post  webhead2006 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:50 pm

I know non I said it before I still don't see when bane was picked. When we could have had hugo strange, riddler, peguin and catwoman all mixed into each other. For me still the highlights for the film was levitt and anne.

For me if the plan is starting with mos to do a shared universe and a rebooted baatman will work with aliens/supers. I would go the route of hulk and spiderman a 5 to 7 yr wait. So if mos is big supes can be dc golden boy on film for a few yrs and get sequel out asap. And then try to get at least two or three other dc shared universe films like flash/ww/aquaman off the ground and out. Then do baatman and jl film out same yr/6months apart or so. And at end of new batman film gets supes cameo to tie into jl film. But unless dc can pull a marvel studios and get a set group in charge of films I don't see a jl film any time soon.
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Post  thecolorsblend on Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:44 pm

webhead2006 wrote: I know non I said it before I still don't see when bane was picked. When we could have had hugo strange, riddler, peguin and catwoman all mixed into each other. For me still the highlights for the film was levitt and anne.

For me if the plan is starting with mos to do a shared universe and a rebooted baatman will work with aliens/supers. I would go the route of hulk and spiderman a 5 to 7 yr wait. So if mos is big supes can be dc golden boy on film for a few yrs and get sequel out asap. And then try to get at least two or three other dc shared universe films like flash/ww/aquaman off the ground and out. Then do baatman and jl film out same yr/6months apart or so. And at end of new batman film gets supes cameo to tie into jl film. But unless dc can pull a marvel studios and get a set group in charge of films I don't see a jl film any time soon.
The time to plant the seed for that is now. I like the idea of putting Batman on ice for a few years. (A) I'm kind of sick to fuck of him right now and (B) other characters need time in the spotlight too if a JLA movie is going to work. So MOS still has time to do a scene or two that establishes other heroes. The Flash or Wonder Woman are the obvious choices after these recent Batman and Green Lantern movies.

But even then, the impression I got was that Marvel started off with the idea of wanting to do an Avengers movie and then planned backwards from there. WB and/or DCE have to figure out a way toward a JLA movie starting from MOS. It's probably doable but the fear is that they won't necessarily have the same forward momentum Marvel did.
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Post  James Stocks on Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:32 am

Finally saw it. Still need to wrap my head over it all but for the most part I really enjoyed it and I have a feeling I may look back on this one as the favorite of the Nolan Batman films. I found it to be very satisfying and effective action blockbuster.

Pros: The dialogue is much better and natural than the last two. Scenes breath a lot better now instead of feeling like they're going 100MPH like in TDK. Hans Zimmer score for this is probably better than the last two. There's more focus here and I dig the rise chanting incorporated into the music. Probably works better with just Zimmer instead of two different composers having a go at it. I look forward to what he delivers for SUPERMAN, which will likely sound very different but hopefully as interesting and complimenting.

Flaws? The ending with John Blane taking up the mantle, or at least that's what we're lead to believe. It's a case of Nolan trying to realistically approach the concept of Robin but at the same time his take is less believable than the comics. I have a strong feeling the guy is going to die on his first night. Laughing But I did love the idea of Batman being more of a symbol less of a man, bringing things to full circle from BEGINS. It also relies more on its predecessors more than the last movie did but it works in a way of tying things all together.

Not sure I can call this a flaw, but I found Talia sexier than Catwoman. Shouldn't that be the other way around? I always felt she should be Catwoman, but then again she does play a very good psycho bitch Talia that I can't think of anyone else pulling it off better.


Oh yeah, and I liked how Crane was included. I wondered if he would show up again and what he'd be doing. Judging people to their death? It was goofy but a fun surprise to see him.
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Post  Comicbookfan-V2 on Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:41 am

Just seen the film about four days ago, sorry for the late review! Anyway here we go...

This may come of as abit obvious to some folks here on what my reaction towards TDKR will be and well, allow me to get right down on confirming it! I like TDKR, I enjoy it as much as the previous two "Batman" films and it definitly lives up to what has already been declared as a satisfying conclusion to "The Dark Knight Trilogy" and may possibly be one of the rarest film trilogies to actually break the infamous Trilogy Curse or the at the very least escape from it.

The film has shown just how Bruce Wayne/Batman was challenge to the point where he almost lost with the acception of Gotham nearly becoming a nuclear wasteland but was able to rise (No pun intended) from the depths of defeat and brought down the remains of the League of Shadows once and for all and save Gotham once again with the near cost of his own life in the process. Tom Hardy did a fine job portraying Bane despite anyone's (Mostly in this forum) objections with the edition of setting the example of why Bane is truly Batman's greatest adversary but the big surprise twist was that Bane wasen't really the mastermind behind the planned devastation of Gotham it was non-other than Talia Al Ghul going by the guise of Wayne Enterprise board member Miranda Tate who's goal was to fullfill her late father's unfinished mission. Also the rumors of Batman dying in this one were sort of confirmed but in the end it actually turns out to be a ruse to what viewers are lead to believe. Who would have thought Bruce & Selina would end up together as an item? And speaking of whom I think Anne Hathaway may have been the best big screen portrayal of Selina Kyle/Catwoman since Michelle Pfeiffer's and definitly a huge improvement over than what we got back in 2004 (I won't go into specific details)!

It's safe to say Nolan has score another big one and now with "The Dark Knight Trilogy" finally completed the chances of topping it with a future reboot are VERY slim as up this point!


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Post  James Stocks on Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:18 am

Speaking of Talia being behind it all, it's another instance of Nolan incorporating Bond film elements into his Batflicks. Specifically the whole plot of the Bond girl being the mastermind behind the scheme while the faux villain was really the muscle man executing it in THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH. I'll say, Nolan improves on it (which isn't much of a feat, as I regard that Bond film as the worst of the series).
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