'Man Of Steel' Predictions

After the announcement of Zod being the villain of the upcoming reboot than a later announcement involving Faora being another villain/villainess being put into the mix I ask myself if their really going to be the only villains in the film or are they going to be more? Even though what I'm about to point out may seem abit over stuffed I still feel even to this day that the film should have aleast a few of Superman's rogues from the comics that never got their chance on the big screen!

Here are a list of other villains that could still be added in the film if given the right roles...

Lex Luthor, John Corban/Metallo and Brainiac.

Now here are my predictions of how each of these villains can serve their roles in the film along with some possible plot points... Lex Luthor, a self made billionaire who is the owner & CEO of LexCorp Metropolis's top science & technological research company and he's known for being Metropolis's favorite son but is also very corrupted and humbers a great deal of jealousy towards Supes due to his status as somewhat of a local/urban hero and wants the public to view him as a possible threat to humanity.

As Zod & Faora finally arrive on Earth (Can't say how it's anybodies guess) Zod has in procession of a Kryptonian informational computer system with advance A.I. that takes the form of a large bracelet that Zod wears around his forearm dubbed with the name Brainiac that provides Zod with data and useful information that he can use for his conquest on Earth.

John Corban, a mercenary veteran was hired by Lex to set up disasters to lore Superman out in the open to futher study and test him in action but Corban was fatally injured in a supposed accident which later reveal to be a setup by one of Lex's LexCorp employees. Later Lex informs Corban (While in a hospital put on life-support) that he can save his life if he agrees to participate in a experimental brain transplant procedure into a top secret exoskeleton android body which is powered by Kryptonite which Lex realizes that it can weaken Superman after being use during the planted disasters. After Corban agrees to the procedure he was reborn (Technically speaking) and was sent by Lex to physically confront and kill Superman but somehow with an inch of his life Supes was able to temporary subdue Corban but back at LexCorp Corban discover that Lex set him up during the planted disasters and confronts him but Lex activate a remote control in his procession that paralyzes Corban as Lex inform him that as long he has the remote control he can control Corban.

And here's where it gets intresting...

Zod & Faora burst into LexCorp after discovering that LexCorp has some technological advances needed for his plans for world conquest and learning about Corban and his physical confrontation with Supes he takes hold of the remote control from Lex and de-paralyzes him and offers him a position as a lieutenant in the new world order if he agree to assists Faora to kill Superman in which he agrees on. While at LexCorp Zod uses his computer bracelet (Brainiac) to hack into LexCorp's computer system to create a portal that leads to the phantom zone where Zod is planning to release other Kryptonian criminals upon the Earth (Just think of "Superman: Last Son"). Later on Supes battles Corban & Faora and defeats them with the use of his wits & craftiness of his powers then soon after confronts Zod in a physical battle while Lex dishacked and gets hold of the computer bracelet thus leading to the build up for Brainiac in a future sequel.

Of course all of this is just wishful thinking and the excuse to use other villains for the film whether you think this is good or not this is the way I think it should go if Zack Synder want to provide something unique & epic for a "Superman" reboot!

Not going to happen.

Personally I predict that, as Nolan is fond of following themes in his movies, we'll find a thematic through-line and the villains will all reflect that theme. For example, in Batman Begins, the theme was fear. Hence the Scarecrow, Falcone, Zsasz, and Ra's Al Ghul's master plan.

What will the theme of Man of Steel be? Hard to say. The Snyder factor is a real wild card. However, just going by Goyer and Nolan... I'd have to go with "family", "heritage", or "legacy". We know Jor-El is being cast (Daniel Day-Lewis was considered), so we have Superman's Kryptonian parents. We have Pa and Ma Kent. We also have Zod as a villain. It wouldn't be out of place to suppose that a significant portion of the movie is going to be all about Superman's heritage.

That being said, which villains reflect Superman's roots? Brainiac, in some versions. Lex Luthor, in some versions. Not Metallo, though. Not Toyman. Not Prankster. Not Darkseid. Conduit would be a longshot, but I'd kill to see him onscreen.

I predict that Mark Waid's Birthright will, in fact, prove to be the backbone of Man of Steel. I predict the Luthors will be introduced, Smallville-style, to contrast with the Kents as Zod will contrast with the El's. And I further predict that Braniac will be teased or given a cameo appearance to set him up as a later villain.

道 wrote:I predict that Mark Waid's Birthright will, in fact, prove to be the backbone of Man of Steel. I predict the Luthors will be introduced, Smallville-style, to contrast with the Kents as Zod will contrast with the El's. And I further predict that Braniac will be teased or given a cameo appearance to set him up as a later villain.

I could live with all that.

道 wrote:Personally I predict that, as Nolan is fond of following themes in his movies, we'll find a thematic through-line and the villains will all reflect that theme. For example, in Batman Begins, the theme was fear. Hence the Scarecrow, Falcone, Zsasz, and Ra's Al Ghul's master plan.

What will the theme of Man of Steel be? Hard to say. The Snyder factor is a real wild card. However, just going by Goyer and Nolan... I'd have to go with "family", "heritage", or "legacy". We know Jor-El is being cast (Daniel Day-Lewis was considered), so we have Superman's Kryptonian parents. We have Pa and Ma Kent. We also have Zod as a villain. It wouldn't be out of place to suppose that a significant portion of the movie is going to be all about Superman's heritage.

I have a feeling the "theme" will be HOPE.

It will be a realistic world, full of the dark, terrible things people are capable of. Superman will be a symbol of hope, to show the opposite side.

That being said, which villains reflect Superman's roots? Brainiac, in some versions. Lex Luthor, in some versions. Not Metallo, though. Not Toyman. Not Prankster. Not Darkseid. Conduit would be a longshot, but I'd kill to see him onscreen.

Uh, General Zod? Being Kryptonian and all....

I predict that Mark Waid's Birthright will, in fact, prove to be the backbone of Man of Steel. I predict the Luthors will be introduced, Smallville-style, to contrast with the Kents as Zod will contrast with the El's. And I further predict that Braniac will be teased or given a cameo appearance to set him up as a later villain.

Yeah, I said the same things in two or three other threads a while ago.

Apologist Puncher wrote:I have a feeling the "theme" will be HOPE.

It will be a realistic world, full of the dark, terrible things people are capable of. Superman will be a symbol of hope, to show the opposite side.

God, I hope so.

Uh, General Zod? Being Kryptonian and all....

My second paragraph already acknowledged Zod as a villain.

Yeah, I said the same things in two or three other threads a while ago.

Then we agree.

[quote="道"God, I hope so.[/quote]

Do some checking around here. I've been pretty spot-on in my "predictions" for the film.

My second paragraph already acknowledged Zod as a villain.

I answered the question in bold. Not the second paragraph.

Then we agree.

YOU agree with ME.

Exactly.

Apologist Puncher wrote:I answered the question in bold. Not the second paragraph.

I guess the technique of building paragraphs on each other to support a final conclusion wasn't taught in your school.

YOU agree with ME.

Exactly.

And you say I'm the one needing validation? Yeesh.

道 wrote:I guess the technique of building paragraphs on each other to support a final conclusion wasn't taught in your school.

Awww, someone feels stupid for being called-out on their ignorance? Well, here's something to help you feel better:

And you say I'm the one needing validation? Yeesh.

Nope, your own actions say it loud & clear.

Apologist Puncher wrote:Awww, someone feels stupid for being called-out on their ignorance?

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

God, I love situational irony.

Well, here's something to help you feel better:

How thoughtful! I love chocolate chip cookies! Have you tried putting pecans in the batter? They're really good that way.

Nope, your own actions say it loud & clear.

Even after all those emails, you still think that's why I'm here. Amazing.

Oh well, whatever helps you sleep at night, I suppose.

道 wrote:HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

God, I love situational irony.

But you HATE being called-out for your ignorance.

Curiouser and curiouser....

How thoughtful! I love chocolate chip cookies! Have you tried putting pecans in the batter? They're really good that way.

Not a big fan of nuts in my mouth, personally.....

Even after all those emails, you still think that's why I'm here. Amazing.

Oh well, whatever helps you sleep at night, I suppose.

Nah, I know your agenda. Just impossible to take someone serious when they play games.

I was thinking about a combination of things, and I have a prediction regarding the FOS. It's actually a combination of two different stories that led me to my conclusion.

First, was this one:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.276530522371127.76379.125282584162589&type=3




Both Cavill and Crowe taking "scuba training".

For Crowe, this was explained in the second story:

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http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/03/13/superman-spoilers-from-man-of-steel-call-sheet/

Scene 11: Int Central Hub-Underwater-VFX
Number five (Jor-El) swims up to the central hub, retrieves Codex, alarms go off, dives back under

But why was Cavill getting training too?

This leads to my prediction:

The Fortress of Solitude will be not only accessed via water, but different sections of it as well. Just like on Krypton.

Ain't much, but haven't heard anyone think of anything along these lines. And I have a feeling I'm right.

There is precedent for that from STAS, you know.

thecolorsblend wrote:There is precedent for that from STAS, you know.

Actually, he only accessed it via water. And I knew this, which is why I said the following:

ApologistPuncher wrote:The Fortress of Solitude will be not only accessed via water, but different sections of it as well. Just like on Krypton.

Since we haven't, and won't, be getting much info on this any time soon, I figure we needed a place to talk about SOMETHING regarding this movie.

So here we are.

Post predictions regarding production, the script, characters and the movie itself. Anything you want.

And I'll start:

I predict we will hear about some re-shoots and additional filming very shortly. 'The Avengers' is going to have an affect on the direction they go with MOS.

They are going to balance out any "darkness" with a bit of fun. Much to Christopher Nolan's chagrin.....

I would second that. Part of me wants to suggest they'd maybe thrown in some more action stuff too... except Zack Snyder is directing this sum bitch so that part may already be covered.

If I were a betting man, I'd say that, as far as comics fidelity is concerned, this version will likely have the most in common with Birthright. The various Krypton outfits already look fairly Birthrightesque to me and something about Cavill's look just seems more like Birthright to me.

Understand, I'm not arguing this movie will adapt Birthright. Because I doubt it will. I just think it will have the most in common with Birthright.

thecolorsblend wrote:I would second that. Part of me wants to suggest they'd maybe thrown in some more action stuff too... except Zack Snyder is directing this sum bitch so that part may already be covered.

Definitely not a concern of mine.

If I were a betting man, I'd say that, as far as comics fidelity is concerned, this version will likely have the most in common with Birthright. The various Krypton outfits already look fairly Birthrightesque to me and something about Cavill's look just seems more like Birthright to me.

Understand, I'm not arguing this movie will adapt Birthright. Because I doubt it will. I just think it will have the most in common with Birthright.

From the look and sound of it, I tend to agree with this.

Oh, and as for my prediction above? Expect the announcement not long after Rises fails to come close to 'The Avengers' numbers.

I wondered about that. I mean, how much of that would they really want to make public? "We're going back to throw in some more humor and character bits!" The connotation is almost that those things were lacking before.

The more time goes on, the more convinced I become that the Superman movie Zack Snyder is directing long ago stopped being the one David Goyer was writing. Nothing solid I can point to in terms of that but if the announcement of reshoots comes along that basically implies "yeah, we're making this thing more Avengers-like", that'll be my smoking gun that WB, Snyder or somebody is going for a less Goyer/Nolan type of flavor for this sucker.

In fact, part of me wonders what Avengers bodes for the future of DC adaptations. Not in the sense that "WB is fucked" but more from the angle that WB will want to compete somehow and, if we've learned nothing else, their single universe/lone wolf director approach just doesn't work anymore. Obviously they want to make money so are they going to sacrifice what they've done up to now to make Superman a springboard into competing with Marvel? Part of me has a hard time seeing much long term business sense in sticking with their existing model anymore. If/when TDKRises does "only" $400'ish mill in the US or maybe less than $150 or $160 on the opening weekend... well, then what? You know?

Let's face it, a Superman film should be fun like THE AVENGERS! If re-shoots become necessary, then so be it. Avengers was like 'the total package'. It had it's serious moments & all but also had plenty of humor without being cheesy. And having powerhouses like the Hulk & Thor going at it is the kind of action that's sorely needed in THE MAN OF STEEL. I tend to believe we'll get it because of Zod & better F/X than yesteryear but like you suggest, it may be a little too dark so maybe that will need to be corrected? As for TDKR, is anyone still predicting it's supremacy?

I too am not worried for action with snyder on this. We know he can deliever with that. If we where to be like birthright I always heard good things on that take. So I wouldn't be disapointed if it drew from elements of that. As for reshoots, we likely would be doing some soon. Since production wrapped back in feb right. So the are probably now in mists of editing the film to see what works/doesn't work. So they can do what they need in reshoots in summer/fall. What ever they do reshoot I hope it does make the film even better.

thecolorsblend wrote:I wondered about that. I mean, how much of that would they really want to make public? "We're going back to throw in some more humor and character bits!" The connotation is almost that those things were lacking before.

Oh, they won't be saying what or why they are shooting more footage. No credit to Marvel Studios whatsoever.

But we'll know.

The more time goes on, the more convinced I become that the Superman movie Zack Snyder is directing long ago stopped being the one David Goyer was writing. Nothing solid I can point to in terms of that but if the announcement of reshoots comes along that basically implies "yeah, we're making this thing more Avengers-like", that'll be my smoking gun that WB, Snyder or somebody is going for a less Goyer/Nolan type of flavor for this sucker.

The unfortunate part is, like I stated above, we won't hear that being the reason why.

It will be after TDKR comes out, when people will be focusing, somewhat, on THAT film. And there will be a blurb about "Additional shoots" for MOS, not much else. The Bros. Warner knows they have plenty of time to re-shoot and add more "fun" to this film.

In fact, part of me wonders what Avengers bodes for the future of DC adaptations. Not in the sense that "WB is fucked" but more from the angle that WB will want to compete somehow and, if we've learned nothing else, their single universe/lone wolf director approach just doesn't work anymore. Obviously they want to make money so are they going to sacrifice what they've done up to now to make Superman a springboard into competing with Marvel? Part of me has a hard time seeing much long term business sense in sticking with their existing model anymore. If/when TDKRises does "only" $400'ish mill in the US or maybe less than $150 or $160 on the opening weekend... well, then what? You know?

You know, since Marvel has one-and-done so many of the directors of their individual franchises, why doesn't WB try and poach one or two? I bet Jon Favreau could make a KILLER 'Flash' film. Or Branagh making a decent 'Wonder Woman' film. With Gina Carano playing the lead. Seriously, there's no one else even close to her.

Alas, won't happen. We'll just get more Singer's and Campbell's making THEIR version of those "funnybook characters".

Ap i could totally see those two directors up for those characters. But at this rate we probably never seen them get off the ground any time soon. WB and dc just doesnt seem to get what makes those guys tick right. Which i still find so dispointing. They can handle the characters so great in animation. But they just cant do it in live action.

Reshoots to film more fun scenes to make MOS more like the Avengers?? This kind of reminds me when the TDK came out, ´´everybody`` was saying all future comic book movies should be like that. Now, while I loved Avengers and agree there should be some amount of ´´fun`` in a Superman movie (but it isn't mandatory, there are plenty of storylines I like from the S comics that feature zero fun) I don't think every future comic book movie should just blindly try and replicate what Avengers had. And im sure WB is the last studio on earth that would do that, they always seem to whistle to their own tune (but it's often out of tune).

Since Snyder excepted the directors chair for a Superman movie this time around (after turning it down in the past) and said he did it based on the premise from Nolan and Goyer that got him excited, I think the tone and feel of MOS was set in stone a long time ago and it seems there was/is (hopefully) a strong sense of direction where they are taking it. Now if where that is, is good or bad, remains to be seen.

Besides, there might already be a good balance between fun and ´´darkness`` (though it really depends on the amount of it) and if there isn't, doing reshoots just to add it may end up not so good, with scenes feeling out of place and awkward. Im all for reshoots if they make a movie better but doing reshoots just because another superhero film made a lot of $$$ in the box office would worry me. And really, it's apples and oranges (Avengers and it's success and on the other side MOS).

I personally think (hope) there will be fun in MOS in the Smallville/early years part of the movie, Lois Lane scenes (with whoever not just CK/Superman, since Lois seems to be following Superman around and interviewing people, that might lead to some fun situations) and whatever. But I think it will be a more serious film in tone, given the nature of it (origin, Zod wrecking havoc in Smallville etc). And it might just fit the story they are telling.

Mind you I might change my mind when I see a proper trailer. Think about it, all we got so far officially was one picture of Superman and the new S-logo. We have some vague comments from cast and Snyder, the set photos (which tell us nothing regarding the tone of the film), but really, we know NOTHING about the movie yet. And I hope that changes soon.

Apologist Puncher wrote:

This leads to my prediction:

The Fortress of Solitude will be not only accessed via water, but different sections of it as well. Just like on Krypton.

Ain't much, but haven't heard anyone think of anything along these lines. And I have a feeling I'm right.

I think this is very possible. While Russell had to take scuba training for the scene described in that leaked call sheet, I don't know why Cavill had to as well. We know he is all wet in one scene so he is in the water, and that's after saving those workers on the supposed oil rig, but a simple dive in and out of the water wouldn't require scuba training, would it? And if Jor-El had to access one of the places of his on Krypton via water, I can see this happening. Though I was kind of hopping for FOS to be in a mountain or something similar, I like this approach even better. And it works with all this ´´function and purpose`` that the Krypton/Costume designer or whatever it was talked about.

I also predict the suit WILL form from the belt buckle as was discussed in the costume topic already. The new 52 costume forms from the S-shield and if I recall correctly the J.J.Abrams (or was that McG?) had a ´´suit in the can`` concept (now THAT would be a disaster!). And mostly I just can't see any other use for that piping on the suit. Again the ´´it all has function and purpose`` comments reaffirm my belief that this will happen. Now I just hope it doesn't look bad. I am not too happy with the idea of suit forming itself onto the body.

I still don't think goyar and nolan had much to do with the actual shooting and all that. Sure it was them that got it going. But it was stated many times nolan was hands off on production since he was shooting rises. And we know goyar script had some rewrites by folks snyder made. So I am sure some elements/idealism nolan/goyar had made it into the film still. But I think it will be more snyder film over nolan and goyar. But we won't know more on that to we see some real footage and if nolan/goyar script leaks, and rewrite script out to see what changed and all that. All I really want is some good action, drama, some fun/comedy elements. And the characters treated properly.