Dave Gibbons on a Watchmen sequel, integretation into DCU
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Dave Gibbons on a Watchmen sequel, integretation into DCU
This is literally the very first I've heard about this. But who's to argue with the guy? He's right. What makes Watchmen special is that they exist essentially in the real world of the time that has been affected and changed by the presence of superheroes. To incorporate them into DC's proper superhero universe (A) misses the entire point of what Watchmen was all about from the very beginning (B) destroys what underpins that world and those characters and (C) is arguably redundant anyway because the characters from Watchmen come from Charlton characters WHOM DC ALREADY OWNS (Rorschach = The Question, Nite-Owl = Blue Beetle, Dr. Manhattan = Captain Atom and so forth).Comic Book Resources wrote:Quote of the day | Dave Gibbons, on the future of Watchmen
“I think, without wishing to sound like a deposed dictator or a mob boss, that I’d like to take the Fifth and at this point say I reserve my position and say I have no comment to make. [...] It’s not something that I’d personally like to see happen. I sense you’re drawing me a little off the position of not commenting on it, so I think I’ll kind of leave it like that. What I would say is, intrinsic to the whole idea of Watchmen is that they existed in a world that was the way it was because of their existence. And I think to transplant them into another world actually removes a huge part of what is the essence of Watchmen.”
– Watchmen co-creator Dave Gibbons in an interview with CBR TV,
addressing perennial rumors about a sequel to the landmark 1986 miniseries, and the possibility of the characters being integrated into the DC Comics universe
URL- http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2011/08/quote-of-the-day-dave-gibbons-on-the-future-of-watchmen
As for making a sequel, again, Watchmen works because it's set in it's own little immaculate universe. Everything you need to know about these characters is contained in twelve comic books. It begins in #1 and ends in #12. The most I'd be willing consider is a prequel series/miniseries about the Golden Age heroes.. but only if Alan Moore is writing it... which I just can't see happening. If anybody can make it work, it'll be him. It just seems so unlikely... and unnecessary.
I mean, this isn't like DC changing Superman's outfit. That's a stupid decision, don't get me wrong, but if it doesn't work (which I suspect will prove to be the case), they can always change it back. No harm, no foul. Just another "experiment". But man, if a Watchmen follow up doesn't work, it will taint the original. The sequel, however shitty, will be out there forever. It's not another "experiment". It will affect how people perceive the original version, and I can't see the original being enhanced by a sequel. I also can't see a sequel measuring up to the original... which, whether anybody likes it or not, is the standard it will HAVE to meet in order to justify its own existence. That's a high bar to set for any comic book and I doubt even Alan Moore is capable of accomplishing that same feat a second time.
I just don't understand any of this...
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I totally agree no need to continue it or ingrate with dc proper besides maybe saying they are there in one of the multiverse universes.
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Could be wrong but I thought the Watchmenverse was one of the 52 Earths introduced back in 2006? The Red Son Earth was another one, TDKR was another one, etc.webhead2006 wrote:I totally agree no need to continue it or ingrate with dc proper besides maybe saying they are there in one of the multiverse universes.
In any case, I did some quick digging and found something else.
In response...Alan Moore to Wired, 07.21.2010 wrote:"They offered me the rights to Watchmen back, if I would agree to some dopey prequels and sequels," the influential comics legend told Wired.com Wednesday by phone from his home in Northampton, England. The subject came up in a wide-ranging interview about his Moore’s multimedia spoken-word box set Unearthing (right) and other topics.
"So I just told them that if they said that 10 years ago, when I asked them for that, then yeah it might have worked," he said. "But these days I don’t want Watchmen back. Certainly, I don’t want it back under those kinds of terms."
URL- http://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/07/alan-moore-watchmen (for both)Jim Lee + Dan DiDio to Wired, same date wrote:"Watchmen is the most celebrated graphic novel of all time. Rest assured, DC Comics would only revisit these iconic characters if the creative vision of any proposed new stories matched the quality set by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons nearly 25 years ago, and our first discussion on any of this would naturally be with the creators themselves."
That's hardly a denial of wanting to do a sequel. Seems there could be a germ of truth behind the Comic Book Resources thing after all.
For my part, this really seems like the ultimate poisoned chalice. It'd be pretty ballsy of any writer to want to compete against Alan Moore. He starts off behind the 8-ball to begin with as "the asshole who took over on Watchmen". And even IF he makes a story worth of the original... who cares, he's working off Alan Moore's concept so guess who'd get all the credit!
I mean, who the hell would want to deal with that?
As far as Gibbons is concerned... look, he's a decent artist. Decent. His line style never really impressed me. He did well enough for himself with Watchmen but in general I'm not overwhelmed by his work. Again, he's good but I really don't get why he receives all the plaudits he does when a lot of more dynamic pencillers are out there.
On the whole? Moore and Gibbons both are on record for not wanting to do it. That should be all the justification you need to kill the project. But now I'm worried that DC is pushing ahead anyway.
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I think DC has basically 'lost their way'! There was a time when they used to be good & I don't think it ended all that long ago. However, stuff like this Watchmen idea & changing Superman's costume, well, you be the judge.
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Yeah, that's the shit of it, you know? You look back on the 80's and DC started the decade off pretty weak. Basically you had the Teen Titans and the Legion of Super-Heroes. Those were the only two hits the company had going for them.non_amos wrote:I think DC has basically 'lost their way'! There was a time when they used to be good & I don't think it ended all that long ago. However, stuff like this Watchmen idea & changing Superman's costume, well, you be the judge.
And then Crisis On Infinite Earths came along and that seemed to light a fire under DC's ass. It inspired them to take a lot of risks with their material. After COIE (which is arguably the greatest comic book story that's ever been written), you had stuff like TDKR, Watchmen, the Man Of Steel reboot, Batman- Year One, A Death In The Family, The Killing Joke, the "Five Years Later" Legion, Wally West taking over as the Flash, on and on and on. I put late 80's DC ahead of ANYBODY. Where's Marvel's Watchmen? Where's their TDKR? Good as Marvel was in the 80's (and they were good), they just couldn't quite reach the level of DC when it comes to sheer balls, you know? That only became more apparent in the 90's. Kyle Rayner, Zero Hour as a concept if not a finished product, etc.
Marvel didn't really bounce back until the late 90's. I'd argue that Marvel Knights (reviled though the imprint sometimes is) and the rise of Joey Q as EIC marked the beginning of their Renaissance. There came a point when Marvel stopped worry about the bullshit and just relied upon solid creators telling solid stories about solid characters. Were there missteps and bad calls? Dude, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT! But as far as I'm concerned, all they're really guilty of is wanting to give the fans as many kickass storylines as possible.
DC has had fumble after fumble. I'd even be willing to concede that some of that shit isn't completely their fault (Paul Levitz denying a company-wide reboot, the Siegel Parasites and their son of a motherless whore of a lawyer, etc) but that's all bullshit that doesn't take you very far. The simple fact of the matter is that I think multi-colored Lantern Corps' is a stupid concept. 10 million Batman books per month is just too much to deal with. I never wanted the Donner/STM Superman all but adapted from the big screen into the comics. So on and so forth.
DCnU, for my money, is symptomatic of a bigger problem. There's no VISION behind this stuff. They want all the hoopla of a big event but they're never willing to take the chance on truly rebooting the ENTIRE universe to have a solid continuity that makes sense from Day One.
Until they get their act together, I'm not going to respect them. DCnU may be the thing that does it... I doubt it but I guess it could happen.
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Anyone wanna wager that Geoff Johns is ITCHING to take a crack at writing a 'WATCHMEN' sequel?
Anyone??
Anyone??
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I could sooner picture Grant Morrison giving it a shot than Johns. Alan Moore is who Grant Morrison THINKS he is, after all...Apologist Puncher wrote:Anyone wanna wager that Geoff Johns is ITCHING to take a crack at writing a 'WATCHMEN' sequel?
Anyone??
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I could sooner picture Grant Morrison giving it a shot than Johns. Alan Moore is who Grant Morrison THINKS he is, after all...
But who thinks they are the "Be All End All" at DC comics? From what I read, it's Johns.
I didn't mean the BEST person for it, but the one who thinks they are "qualified" to do it....
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Fair enough. But Johns always struck me as somewhat of a realist. I may not like a lot of his work but from what I can gather, he's a fairly cool guy as far as personalities go. Shit, if he and I could ever get together without me remembering the damage he did to Superman, I'd be half tempted to buy the guy a beer. Buy popularity, he might be "the guy" for the job but I couldn't picture him accepting it.Apologist Puncher wrote:thecolorsblend wrote:
I could sooner picture Grant Morrison giving it a shot than Johns. Alan Moore is who Grant Morrison THINKS he is, after all...
But who thinks they are the "Be All End All" at DC comics? From what I read, it's Johns.
I didn't mean the BEST person for it, but the one who thinks they are "qualified" to do it....
Morrison? There's no politic way to say it so here it is. Everytime the motherfucker sits down for an interview, I always get the impression that his ego long ago reached such gifriggingantic proportions that it began devouring itself. I could TOTALLY see him saying "okay, yeah, I'll do it, here's what Alan Moore completely fucked up on when he did the original Watchmen". I truly believe he thinks he's equal to the task.
I also believe he's not fit to lick the dirt off Moore's boots.
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I can honestly say I have never read 'WATCHMEN'. I used to see it at the library as a teenager all the time, but the art turned me off.
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Apologist Puncher wrote:I can honestly say I have never read 'WATCHMEN'. I used to see it at the library as a teenager all the time, but the art turned me off.
I was actually buying the individual issues & if memory serves me correctly, I believe I bought the entire 12 issues only to get rid of them later when I sold a bunch of comics. The thing is though, I made very little headway actually trying to read it back then. At the time, I guess I just didn't understand it. I mean, it wasn't Superman, Batman, or even the JLA. It was a bunch of characters I'd never heard of before! So I guess I just didn't 'get it' at the time. I don't recall ever finishing reading it. It took me seeing the FILM to actually appreciate it! Now it's one of my favorite superhero films. Go figure.
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Time has a funny way of changing your perceptions on things. I tried reading it at about age 20 or 21. My tastes were very strictly geared toward traditional superhero stuff, and Watchmen's not that exactly.non_amos wrote:I was actually buying the individual issues & if memory serves me correctly, I believe I bought the entire 12 issues only to get rid of them later when I sold a bunch of comics. The thing is though, I made very little headway actually trying to read it back then. At the time, I guess I just didn't understand it. I mean, it wasn't Superman, Batman, or even the JLA. It was a bunch of characters I'd never heard of before! So I guess I just didn't 'get it' at the time. I don't recall ever finishing reading it. It took me seeing the FILM to actually appreciate it! Now it's one of my favorite superhero films. Go figure.
But I finally gave it a real chance at about age 25 or 26 and while I do think it's a bit over-praised, man, it's great!
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