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Post  webhead2006 on Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:47 pm

Just read the news, she was 93 yrs old. Rip, sad to hear the news, even though I have been pissed with her/heirs over the copyright stuff its still sad for her remaining living family.


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Post  thecolorsblend on Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:51 pm

I honestly don't care who I piss off by saying this but I won't miss her.

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Joanne Siegel wrote an open letter WB...

Post  thecolorsblend on Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:59 pm

... but I don't give a fuck. I do not and will not miss that vile hag. When news of her passing reached my ears, many different thoughts and feelings hit me all at once.

* If I ever find myself near her grave, I can't promise not to pee on it.

* If I ever assume full creative control of Superman comics, I intend to change Lois Lane's name middle name.

* Ditto Clark's.

* If my window of opportunity hadn't already closed, when I got a dog, I'd have made a point of going into the back yard to collect items to send the frigid bitch "monthly care packages from the heart".

* Starting in 2013, it would've become two per month.

* In fact, the above two may be my only regrets about her passing.

* But Laura's still around and I may yet get a dog; time is on my side.

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Re: joanne siegel has died

Post  Apologist Puncher on Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:04 pm

You'll LOVE this, colors:

http://www.deadline.com/2011/03/letter-from-lois-lane-to-time-warner-boss/

Letter From Lois Lane To Time Warner Boss
By NIKKI FINKE | Sunday March 27, 2011 @ 10:35pm PDT

EXCLUSIVE: Today Lois Lane was cast for Warner Bros' Superman movie reboot. So it's fitting to note that, on February 12th, the widow of Superman co-creator Jerome Siegel died of heart failure in a Los Angeles hospital at age 93. While much has been made of the fact that she was the model for Lois Lane, Joanne Siegel also was a driving force along with the estate of Joe Shuster to recapture the entire original copyright to Superman. The Siegel heirs have already been awarded half the copyright for Superman. And in 2013 the Shuster heirs get the remaining half. After that, neither DC Comics nor Warner Bros will be able to use Superman without a financial agreement with the Siegels and Shusters. There are also stipulations on what parts of the origins story can be used in future Superman movies and which require re-negotiations with the creators' heirs or estates. But Warner Bros keeps fighting the Siegel and Shuster heirs and last May seized on a new hardball strategy: to force their attorney Marc Toberoff to resign by filing a lawsuit in federal court in Los Angeles raising questions about his alleged role as a financial participant in the Superman copyright. Before her death, Joanne Siegel was preparing the following letter obtained by Deadline:

December 10, 2010

Jeffrey L. Bewkes
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Time Warner Inc.

Dear Jeff,

I am Joanne Siegel widow of Jerry Siegel, creator of Superboy and co-creator of Superman with Joe Shuster. It has always been my policy to be in touch with the Chairmen of the Board of your company going back to when Steve Ross formed Warner Communications.

Steve Ross knew how to take care of large vexing problems. He paid the price, whatever it was, then went on, and the company prospered. He was gracious and friendly when my late husband Jerry and I met him at a stockholders meeting after he sent Jerry, Joe, my daughter Laura and me company stock. He also phoned me to say if we needed anything I should just pick up the phone and call him. He said if he could not be reached for some reason, one of the top officers in the company, Deane Johnson, would handle things personally. Laura and I believe if Steve were alive our copyright ownership matter would have been successfully resolved long ago.

Jerry Levin was also reachable and thoughtful. He sent my husband and later me, cases of grapefruit at the holiday season. He remembered Jerry’s birthday with a Superman sculpture. When my Jerry passed away, Jerry Levin told Laura and me that we are part of the Time Warner family, part of its history. Unfortunately he retired before our rights issues were resolved. He had given his attorneys too much power so that negotiations were unsatisfactory and a settlement was impossible. Dick Parsons, on the other hand, was not friendly and, under him, the attorneys hired by the company were arrogant and pro-litigation.

Now you are Chairman and CEO. Because we are in litigation I held off writing to you. I now believe had we had contact early on, things might not have gone so far off track.

My daughter Laura and I, as well as the Shuster estate, have done nothing more than exercise our rights under the Copyright Act. Yet, your company has chosen to sue us and our long-time attorney for protecting our rights.

On December 1st I turned 93. I am old enough to be your mother. I have grown grandchildren. Unfortunately I am not in the best of health. My cardiologist provided a letter to your attorneys informing them that I suffer from a serious heart condition and that forcing me to go through yet another stressful deposition could put me in danger of a heart attack or stroke. I am also on medications that have side effects which force me to stay close to home and restrooms. Nonetheless your attorneys are forcing me to endure a second deposition even though I have already undergone a deposition for a full day in this matter. As clearly they would be covering the same ground, their intention is to harass me.

My dear daughter Laura too has painful medical conditions including multiple sclerosis, arthritis, glaucoma, spine disorders, and fibromyalgia. She has already had her deposition taken twice by your attorneys while in pain. Her doctors have given written statements saying she should not be subjected to a third deposition, yet your attorneys are insisting on re-taking her deposition in an effort to harass her as well.

So I ask you to please consider – do these mean spirited tactics meet with your approval? Do you really think the families of Superman’s creators should be treated this way?

As you know, DC and Warner Bros. have profited enormously from 72 years of exploiting Jerry and Joe’s wonderful creation. Superman is now a billion dollar franchise and has been DC’s flagship property for all this time.

As for this letter, the purpose is three-fold:

To protest harassment of us that will gain you nothing but bad blood and a continued fight.

To protest harassment of our attorney by falsely accusing him of improper conduct in an attempt to deprive us of legal counsel.

To make you aware that in reality this is a business matter and that continuing with litigation for many more years will only benefit your attorneys.

This is not just another case. The public and press are interested in Superman and us and are aware of our and your litigations.

The solution to saving time, trouble, and expense is a change of viewpoint. Laura and I are legally owed our share of Superman profits since 1999. By paying the owed bill in full, as you pay other business bills, it would be handled as a business matter, instead of a lawsuit going into its 5th year.

Even though you will no doubt pass this letter on to your attorneys, the final decision is yours. Your image as well as the company’s reputation rests on a respectable and acceptable outcome, and I hope you will get personally involved to insure this matter is handled properly.

The courtesy of a friendly and meaningful reply from you will be most appreciated.

Sincerely,
Joanne Siegel

I love ignorant statements like the ones in bold.

DC and the Bros. Warner "exploited" Superman for 72 years? How does one "exploit" something that they OWN? Here's the definiton of exploit:

to take advantage of (a person, situation, etc.), esp unethically or unjustly for one's own ends

If you OWN something, how is ANYTHING you do with it "unethical" or "unjust"?

It's not.

And that attorney has REALLY filled the "Heirs" heads with foolishness. Do they really think the public is on THEIR side? Do they just fall for what their snake-oil salesman attorney tells them? You know, the guy who stands to inherit a MAJORITY SHARE of the Superman copyright?

Nice job of exploiting a person's death, Marc Toberoff & Deadline.

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Post  Apologist Puncher on Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:08 pm

thecolorsblend wrote:... but I don't give a fuck. I do not and will not miss that vile hag. When news of her passing reached my ears, many different thoughts and feelings hit me all at once.

* If I ever find myself near her grave, I can't promise not to pee on it.

* If I ever assume full creative control of Superman comics, I intend to change Lois Lane's name middle name.

* Ditto Clark's.

* If my window of opportunity hadn't already closed, when I got a dog, I'd have made a point of going into the back yard to collect items to send the frigid bitch "monthly care packages from the heart".

* Starting in 2013, it would've become two per month.

* In fact, the above two may be my only regrets about her passing.

* But Laura's still around and I may yet get a dog; time is on my side.

I merged your topic with this one, since I was in the middle of posting this when you posted yours.....

-AP

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Post  thecolorsblend on Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:59 am

Apologist Puncher wrote:I love ignorant statements like the ones in bold.

DC and the Bros. Warner "exploited" Superman for 72 years? How does one "exploit" something that they OWN? Here's the definiton of exploit:

to take advantage of (a person, situation, etc.), esp unethically or unjustly for one's own ends

If you OWN something, how is ANYTHING you do with it "unethical" or "unjust"?

It's not.
Damn right.

And that attorney has REALLY filled the "Heirs" heads with foolishness. Do they really think the public is on THEIR side? Do they just fall for what their snake-oil salesman attorney tells them? You know, the guy who stands to inherit a MAJORITY SHARE of the Superman copyright?
Honestly, we live in such a nanny-state, welfare-obsessed society of motherfucking entitlement that, yeah, I really do believe the public (those who are aware of the case and aren't geeks... and even a lot of geeks) do take the side of the Siegel Parasites.

A deal is a deal. You make it, you abide by it. At the end of the day, all of any of us have is our word to live by. If that's no good, if there's no honor in your word, you're a fucking CANCER upon society, I don't give a fuck WHAT you've created.

And as a general thing for anyone else reading this, don't give me the "Siegel and Shuster made a bad deal, it should be put right". (A) Siegel and Shuster are long dead so there's no way to put that "right" (B) they weren't "wronged" in the first place. They made a deal and NPP/DC held up their end. Was it a good deal? Maybe not but don't tell me a good deal couldn't have been made because Bob Kane pimped into Vin Sullivan's office a year'ish after Superman's debut and made a BEAUTY of a deal for selling Batman. Nothing except their own incompetence and ineptitude stopped Jerry and Joe from making a similar deal. Don't make that argument with me, motherfuckers, cuz it ain't gonna fly.

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Post  Apologist Puncher on Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:06 pm

On top of that colors, did you know the "Heirs" AGREED to a settlement in 1999, only to have this piece of shit Toberoff come in and convince them to abandon it and go for ALL the rights? That, AGAIN, HE would own a majority share of?

Part of why the Bros. Warner are suing to have his ass booted is because they came across an office memo of his stating that they WILL NOT accept ANY settlements in the case. And guess what? That is not supposed to be HIS decision. He is making the decision FOR the "heirs", and that is UNETHICAL.

Anyone siding with the "Heirs" needs to know that they are siding with a piece of shit who owns a production company, and wants to EXPLOIT the Superman character. If you know this now, and STILL side with them, I have only one thing to say to you:

FUCK YOU.

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Post  non_amos on Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:57 pm

This Toberoff does sound like a slime-bag. What gets me is that whenever you read all of this 'legal mumbo-jumbo' about duh lawsuit it comes across as Toberoff sounding like he's invulnerable & WB/DC don't stand a chance! I don't claim to understand all those legal issues but what bothers me is how it sounds like duh courts agree with him! But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what his intentions are: MONEY!

Personally I believe regardless of who owns what, Superman has become an American icon that even transcends his creators & has taken on a life of his own. I don't think even duh heirs have a right to mess with that! And what do they wanna be known as anyway? The people who killed Superman?! Literally?!

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Post  Apologist Puncher on Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:31 pm

non_amos wrote:This Toberoff does sound like a slime-bag. What gets me is that whenever you read all of this 'legal mumbo-jumbo' about duh lawsuit it comes across as Toberoff sounding like he's invulnerable & WB/DC don't stand a chance! I don't claim to understand all those legal issues but what bothers me is how it sounds like duh courts agree with him! But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what his intentions are: MONEY!

Personally I believe regardless of who owns what, Superman has become an American icon that even transcends his creators & has taken on a life of his own. I don't think even duh heirs have a right to mess with that! And what do they wanna be known as anyway? The people who killed Superman?! Literally?!

Most of the idiots being "snowed" by this in-poor-taste "stunt" let OTHERS decide what they think anyway.

"corporations r da worse!" "boo to du wb fur pixing on da ol lady!!" "dey jus wanna monee dat all".

Get a brain and do some research, you clueless fucks.

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Post  webhead2006 on Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:21 pm

also sucks this guy has also made big killings too in other copyright stuff. I wish he wasnt around and the whole case can just end with some dam reasonable deal for all. But with this guy's track record he probably wont let that happen.

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