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Re: Sceneries for Superman reboot!

Post  Father Finian on Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:35 am

thecolorsblend wrote:And yes, before I get a Captain Obvious post from someone, I realize Nolan shot the Gotham City stuff in Chicago. That isn't the point.

But that IS the point. It looks like a real city you can relate to, not the phony stylized comic book world that you think is okay for Marvel but not for DC, despite the towering respect and accolades for STM for breaking the trail in that field.....I'm staggered.

Colors, drop the nerd comic geek attitude, you're depressing me! We want to make a movie here for the general masses, not comic book geeks.

I'll say it one more time, although I can hardly see the point. Most people get the Metropolis/NYC "joke" and expect it.

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Re: Sceneries for Superman reboot!

Post  Father Finian on Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:41 am

thecolorsblend wrote:What I'm driving at here is that Marvel is a universe about CHARACTERS. DC is a universe about ICONS. Comparing the two borders on apples and oranges.

Jesus Christ, we're talking about making a movie here.

You mean to tell me we can't contrast/compare Marvel & DC movies because one's about characters and the others about Icons? They are superhero movies.

Mate, you're heading down a very strange path if you think that way.

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Post  Father Finian on Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:57 am

Actually, let me put it this way, it really is a simple and proven concept......

In relation to the Superhero genre, maintaining the realism of the film's surroundings heightens the difference between the "normal" and the fantastic. When Superman does fly past the real Statue Of Liberty you can't help but smile. It's as much apart of Superman as the wink to camera. I suppose that's got to go too. Heck, why not give him a kid again whilst we're at it.

You're probably to young to remember this, but one of the early criticisms of Burton's film is "Where is Batman"?

Batman is overshadowed by just about everything else in that film. As great as the designs are in Burton's film, it doesn't actually help Batman. And plus, if you start off with a stylized vision as Burton did, look how that ends up.....I can't bear look at the later Burtonverse Batman movies. I think that's more than enough of a lesson learned. Move on. That's why that look hasn't been attempted since. Nothing to do with characters vs icons, or some such guff.

Honestly man, on one hand you have Superman flying through the real NYC catching choppers, the Batmobile hurtling down real streets causing mayhem, then leaping across rooftops! And on the other hand you have the baddies chase the Batmobile round a soundstage and everyone has to drive so slow to keep from catching up!! Lord, give me strength

Sorry, but I want Superman front and centre and standing head and shoulders above the Marvel films. He must not be just another part of of a stylized vision that doesn't look real. HE must stand out from the real world we live in, not everything in the film.

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Post  Father Finian on Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:28 am

...and finally...

Only a fool would fail to overlook the significance of what a certain \S/ meant to NYC in light of the tragic events of 9/11.

You simply can't buy a connection like that

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Post  thecolorsblend on Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:22 am

I'll just back away from this (A) because I've read more comics, particularly Superman, than you're ever liable to see (B) STM, good as it is, ain't all that and (C) I'm right anyway.
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Post  webhead2006 on Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:13 pm

Ok if I recall that statue in sv was just a hologram training thing and not real. Plus it was never said if it was in nyc or metropolis. So who know where it was. Also I don't recall ant other tomes we have seen statue of libtery in sv. As for dc comics isn't there a real nyc which is smaller then real life? Then isn't metropolis/gotham meant to be somewhere located what is delware/nj in the comics? As for stm was it ever stated that metropolis was nyc or just it was just used as filming location and nothing more?

In reboot movie news the website www.thegobalandmail.com which qouted some vancour, bc film/tv production president claims snyder reboot is likely to film up there. Which isn't a bad deal. Tax breaks are still fairly well up there next to new orleans good breaks. Plus snyder has worked there before. So I don't see it being illogical choice for him. Then I am sure they will likely do some additional plate shots of other cities/plus some cgi enhancements to give metropolis its own unique look.
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RE: Sceneries for Superman reboot

Post  non_amos on Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:34 pm

Webhead, that link doesn't work. Did you misspell that site address?

On another note, I wouldn't have expected a 'war of words' between Father Finian & Colors! I know this isn't the Batman thread but I'll make a few comments. I like the original Burton film AND the Nolan reboot. SOME like one or the other but not necessarily both. We can agree to disagree.

IF there EVER was a superhero franchise that needed to be rebooted, it WAS Batman! The 1st film was great, even AWESOME! The 2nd, meh. Now don't get me wrong, I 'sort of' like Batman Returns but not NEARLY as good as the first one. However, it was ALL downhill after that, what with Shumacher's BAT NIPPLES & all of that crap (Singer couldn't have done a better job himself). Certainly it looked like the death knell for the Bat-film franchise. But then Nolan comes along after about 8 years & pumps new life into it, even though he was 'ultra-realism' & all of that.

I can see Father's point about the LOOK of Burton's films but if you'll notice, almost ALL of Burton's films have that weird, even gothic, appearance. It WOULDN'T have worked with Superman but it DID work with Batman. Personally, though, I don't think Batman was 'overwhelmed in that film, not at all. Ya know, it was said back then that Jack Nicholson 'stole the show' as the Joker, just like NOW they're saying it about Heath Ledger. However, I feel like there's a difference. For one, Christian Bale DID seem to be playing '2nd fiddle' to Ledger, but NOT SO with Michael Keaton. If you'll note, in recent days Keaton was even voted as the BEST Batman.....PERIOD! So even though 'Jack' stole the show, 'Mike' was no pansy either! And it's interesting because BEFORE the 1st film came out (AND there was no Internet) the fan uproar in comicdom was kinda like the bickering you'd see now online, some FOR Keaton, many AGAINST. However, I feel like Keaton SILENCED the critics! He is STILL respected for his portrayal, however brief it was, while Bale is being criticized for 'phoning it in'.

The 1989 film is MY favorite film in the original franchise. I love it! Gothic look & all. And I STILL feel like 'Jack' is the BEST JOKER! Actually I feel like Jack is now being DISSED by this NEW generation of homoerotic fans who swoon over Ledger (Brokeback Mountain, anyone?). Ledger's death obviously contributed to the Dark Knight's success. Call it 'THE ELVIS FACTOR'. Otherwise TDK would've probably had numbers more in line with the 4th Indiana Jones film. And sure, maybe the 1989 film DOES look somewhat dated now, but technology has marched on, & so have improvements in superhero films. However, I feel like the 1989 Batman film would HAVE to be put on the SAME level with SUPERMAN: the MOVIE as far as historical film relevance. A classic indeed!

Like I said, I like Nolan's version too but I DON'T agree with his wanting to keep the universes separate & all of that. There's NO reason we shouldn't be able to have a Superman/Batman film, or Justice League for that matter.
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Re: Sceneries for Superman reboot!

Post  webhead2006 on Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:32 pm

Oops sorry I did mispell the the website it should be www.theglobalandmail.com
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Re: Sceneries for Superman reboot!

Post  Comicbookfan-V2 on Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:57 pm

Yeah I too have heard than the upcoming film will be filmed in Vancouver ironicly thats the same location where Metropolis from "Smallville" was shot! As webhead2006 pointed out I too hope that they use CGI enhancements to make the scenery of Metropolis look like a stand alone city just as it should be! Come to think of it... I think this is what we might be getting or aleast similar to it...

Comicbookfan-V2 wrote:I suppose that you guys may perfer this then...



For the record, this was taken from "Smallville"!

To thecolorsblend... I think this may be the link that your looking to post... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/movies/next-superman-film-to-be-shot-in-vancouver-sources/article1841715/?cmpid=rss1
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Post  webhead2006 on Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:43 pm

Yea cg to enhance the look along with some plate shots of say nyc/la to mix up look a bit. And probably still clear known landmarks of said cities to make it unidentifable.
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Re: Sceneries for Superman reboot!

Post  Apologist Puncher on Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:55 pm

non_amos wrote:However, I feel like the 1989 Batman film would HAVE to be put on the SAME level with SUPERMAN: the MOVIE as far as historical film relevance. A classic indeed!

Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah. Woah. The same level as Superman The Movie?

I enjoyed Batman very much when it came out. Shoot, I saw it EIGHT TIMES in the theater. But it came out ELEVEN YEARS after STM, so it had a "template" to follow. Not nearly as ground-breaking as the first comic book film to get it "right".

Now, I WILL say it was the "Superman The Movie of the Late 80's To Late 90's". Which is still high-praise indeed.

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Post  Father Finian on Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:06 am

Yeah, I want to reiterate that I am a fan of "Batman" 89 too.

I just don't think the Burton type of stylized approach is a good fit for new Superman in this instance.

Hey, I'd love to see a period Superman or Batman film, but can't see that ever happening. You have to be realistic here.

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Post  Father Finian on Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:20 am

Actually. I hate to admit this, but I saw Adam West's "Batman" at the cinema! I still have the novelisation!

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Post  non_amos on Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:41 am

Father Finian wrote:Actually. I hate to admit this, but I saw Adam West's "Batman" at the cinema! I still have the novelisation!

I don't know if you're aware of this but in the couple or so years BEFORE the 1st Burton Batman film was released, Adam West was pushing for HIMSELF to play Batman in THAT film! This was before the Internet so I used to read this stuff in comics magazines & the letters section of comics (remember THAT?). Nevertheless it seems that West was SERIOUS! Old man & all! I guess it didn't matter if this was gonna be a 'grittier' Batman & NOT campy like his TV series, he STILL wanted the role! Now I haven't really researched this online, I'm going by memory. I know, it sounds like the National Enquirer but apparently West was for real. And he had supporters. Now, no disrespect to West because I enjoyed the TV series myself A LOT! Bu it is what it is. It WASN'T what was needed for a major motion picture. Plus he was too old anyway by then. But can't you imagine what THOSE apologists would have been like? Shocked
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Post  webhead2006 on Sat Dec 18, 2010 2:05 am

West show had it charm.
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Post  Apologist Puncher on Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:10 am

non_amos wrote:I don't know if you're aware of this but in the couple or so years BEFORE the 1st Burton Batman film was released, Adam West was pushing for HIMSELF to play Batman in THAT film! This was before the Internet so I used to read this stuff in comics magazines & the letters section of comics (remember THAT?). Nevertheless it seems that West was SERIOUS! Old man & all! I guess it didn't matter if this was gonna be a 'grittier' Batman & NOT campy like his TV series, he STILL wanted the role! Now I haven't really researched this online, I'm going by memory. I know, it sounds like the National Enquirer but apparently West was for real. And he had supporters. Now, no disrespect to West because I enjoyed the TV series myself A LOT! Bu it is what it is. It WASN'T what was needed for a major motion picture. Plus he was too old anyway by then. But can't you imagine what THOSE apologists would have been like? Shocked

How about Bill Murray as Batman? That's who the Bros. Warner WANTED in one of their early attempts at the character.

Sean Young ruined her career by going on talk shows in a homemade Catwoman costume and begging for the role. People thought she was plum loco...

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Post  thecolorsblend on Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:41 am

The Bill Murray thing says a lot about where WB's heads were at way back when. Even they -- especially they -- had trouble getting past the stain Adam West show had become for the character.

I actually kinda like the West show. (A) It saved the Batman comics from cancellation and (B) as "theater of the absurd", the first season is pretty good. In fact, you can kind of compare the show's legacy to STM in the sense that it came to define the character and people struggled with thinking of any other approach to the material.

Batman got past that legacy thanks to Tim Burton and my fondest wish is that Snyder will do the same for Superman.
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Post  thecolorsblend on Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:47 am

Oh yeah, have any of you checked out the Apologists' comments over on the Younis page? Someone mentioned the SV/Welling connections to Vancouver and people are losing their shit over it.

True or not, anything that fucks up an Apologist's day is okay by me.
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Post  webhead2006 on Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:57 am

Yea lol, really sure if it ends up being there sure there is sv connections and all. But the bigger picture is snyder has worked there and used studio and other post production things there. So its a area he likes and knows well. So its logical he likes to work were he feels conformatable. Either way the area is a good filming location.
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Post  Father Finian on Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:06 am

non_amos wrote:
Father Finian wrote:Actually. I hate to admit this, but I saw Adam West's "Batman" at the cinema! I still have the novelisation!

I don't know if you're aware of this but in the couple or so years BEFORE the 1st Burton Batman film was released, Adam West was pushing for HIMSELF to play Batman in THAT film!

I do remember that actually, his pitch for an older Batman.

I also do recall that dreadful live action comedy Justice League show he was involved in as Batman. Whilst the old show was a comedy classic, that reunion show/s were dreadful. Well worth checking out.

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Post  Father Finian on Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:11 am

thecolorsblend wrote:Oh yeah, have any of you checked out the Apologists' comments over on the Younis page? Someone mentioned the SV/Welling connections to Vancouver and people are losing their shit over it.

True or not, anything that fucks up an Apologist's day is okay by me.

You have to laugh when the apologists have cause to go "Uh oh"

I'm all for moving on, and Welling himself has probably had enough of Superman professionally by now, but f*ck I'd piss myself if he did get cast just to see the reactions. More so because Ruth has been kicked to the curb.

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Post  Apologist Puncher on Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:19 pm

Father Finian wrote:You have to laugh when the apologists have cause to go "Uh oh"

I'm all for moving on, and Welling himself has probably had enough of Superman professionally by now, but f*ck I'd piss myself if he did get cast just to see the reactions. More so because Ruth has been kicked to the curb.

Something tells me that THIS is how they looked when they posted their bullshit:




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Post  thecolorsblend on Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:37 pm

Apologist Puncher wrote:
Father Finian wrote:You have to laugh when the apologists have cause to go "Uh oh"

I'm all for moving on, and Welling himself has probably had enough of Superman professionally by now, but f*ck I'd piss myself if he did get cast just to see the reactions. More so because Ruth has been kicked to the curb.

Something tells me that THIS is how they looked when they posted their bullshit:



Buddy, you're not kidding! The Younis page doesn't seem to archive their comments but some things are just too vivid to ever forget.

Remember when the "Welling will star in JLA" stuff came down the pipeline back in late 2007? Well, who among us could resist going over to the Younis page to see how the natives were responding? I sure as hell couldn't. So whatever, checked in and saw the expected petulant outbursts of "but but but [Singerman] made $391 million worldwide!" and the usual garbage. To their credit, most of 'em seemed to understand what the mere existence of the JLA flick implied about Singerman 2's longterm prospects.

But when further news broke that maybe Routh would star in it, one guy wrote words, shit thee not, to the effect of "oh man, this is a major relief, I feel like a huge weight has been lifted off my chest". That should just about tell you all you need to know about that guy's priorities.

But the best part came just a few hours later when a video circulated of Routh being asked about JLA. Routh gave the usual "nobody's talked to me about it but I'd be willing to do it" blah blah blah.

Cue *ANOTHER* round of Apologist paroxysms. Mr. Weight Off His Chest came back and, dude, you'd have that it was just announced that the world was ending. The Apologist'isms flowed freely. "How could they DO this, [Blandon BJ] is the most awesomerest thing EVAR, Briian sIngre for Prezodent, bring me some pleather!" and all that sort of stuff. It got to the point where you didn't even have to follow the news anymore. The Apologists alternating between nervous breakdowns and end zone dances pretty much told you what the gossip of the moment was.

Fun days, I tell ya. Hell, I'd even go so far as to say that the whole JLA abortion was worth going through just to watch Apologists lose it on a daily basis. Good times, good times...
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Post  Apologist Puncher on Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:51 pm

thecolorsblend wrote:Buddy, you're not kidding! The Younis page doesn't seem to archive their comments but some things are just too vivid to ever forget.

Just like how Nazi Germany burned books, The HomoPage wants to make sure words DON'T come back to "haunt" them.

Remember when the "Welling will star in JLA" stuff came down the pipeline back in late 2007? Well, who among us could resist going over to the Younis page to see how the natives were responding? I sure as hell couldn't. So whatever, checked in and saw the expected petulant outbursts of "but but but [Singerman] made $391 million worldwide!" and the usual garbage. To their credit, most of 'em seemed to understand what the mere existence of the JLA flick implied about Singerman 2's longterm prospects.

Shit they spout TO THIS DAY. Funny thing about that is, they have NOT convinced ONE PERSON in all that time that Singerman was a "success".

But when further news broke that maybe Routh would star in it, one guy wrote words, shit thee not, to the effect of "oh man, this is a major relief, I feel like a huge weight has been lifted off my chest". That should just about tell you all you need to know about that guy's priorities.

I think I found a picture of the guy!!



But the best part came just a few hours later when a video circulated of Routh being asked about JLA. Routh gave the usual "nobody's talked to me about it but I'd be willing to do it" blah blah blah.

Cue *ANOTHER* round of Apologist paroxysms. Mr. Weight Off His Chest came back and, dude, you'd have that it was just announced that the world was ending. The Apologist'isms flowed freely. "How could they DO this, [Blandon BJ] is the most awesomerest thing EVAR, Briian sIngre for Prezodent, bring me some pleather!" and all that sort of stuff. It got to the point where you didn't even have to follow the news anymore. The Apologists alternating between nervous breakdowns and end zone dances pretty much told you what the gossip of the moment was.

Reminds me of a South park episode:


Basking in Apologist tears was like Pennies From Heaven.

Fun days, I tell ya. Hell, I'd even go so far as to say that the whole JLA abortion was worth going through just to watch Apologists lose it on a daily basis. Good times, good times...

Fun times indeed.

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Post  Father Finian on Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:04 am

thecolorsblend wrote:Remember when the "Welling will star in JLA" stuff came down the pipeline back in late 2007? Well, who among us could resist going over to the Younis page to see how the natives were responding? I sure as hell couldn't.

Yeah, funny stuff. Especially how Eunuch was doing backflips in trying to put down JLA whilst trying to hold out hope for Singer's return.

Again, whilst the JLA seemed like it may have been rushed (sound familiar?), I'm sure a lot of the negativity around it was generated by the Singer camp and it's devotees. Like Eunuch, they saw it as derailing their much hoped for Singerman sequel.

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