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Post  Comicbookfan-V2 on Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:00 pm

I just come across some un-used concept arts while one of them was taken from the SR video game and thought that some of these could make good sceneries for the upcoming film or the film makers could aleast create something similar to these concepts in which I for one hope to see get display on film!

Here's an un-used concept art of the Daily Planet...



Here's an un-used concept art of the Daily Planet Globe...



Here's an un-used concept art of the city of Krypton...



Here's an un-used concept art of the Kryptonian Council...



And finally here's the concept of Metropolis from the SR video game...



What do you guys think?



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Post  Apologist Puncher on Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:24 am

Comicbookfan-V2 wrote:Here's an un-used concept art of the Daily Planet Globe...


That's the Singerman globe, so no thanks.

And finally here's the concept of Metropolis from the SR video game...



What do you guys think?


Is it just me, or does that look the the after-math of a MAJOR earthquake?

Seriously, who builds a major city on a chain of freakin' VOLCANOES???

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Post  Comicbookfan-V2 on Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:23 am

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Comicbookfan-V2 wrote:Here's an un-used concept art of the Daily Planet Globe...


That's the Singerman globe, so no thanks.

I'm pretty sure this wasen't from SR infact the globe looks entirely different than that!
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Post  Apologist Puncher on Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:34 am

Comicbookfan-V2 wrote:I'm pretty sure this wasen't from SR infact the globe looks entirely different than that!

It's still shitty either way.

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Post  Comicbookfan-V2 on Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:04 pm

Apologist Puncher wrote:
Comicbookfan-V2 wrote:

And finally here's the concept of Metropolis from the SR video game...



What do you guys think?


Is it just me, or does that look the the after-math of a MAJOR earthquake?

Seriously, who builds a major city on a chain of freakin' VOLCANOES???

Actually they look more like man-made constructed hills than volcanoes, but thats just me!
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Post  thecolorsblend on Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:34 pm

Apologist Puncher wrote:
Comicbookfan-V2 wrote:I'm pretty sure this wasen't from SR infact the globe looks entirely different than that!

It's still shitty either way.
It's too busy too. It's got the wire frame, the continental relief, a gold sheen, etc. Too much is going on. And something else? Go ahead, call it a nitpick but the lettering should simply read "DAILY PLANET" and not "THE DAILY PLANET". It irritates the piss out of me when SV does it too.
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Post  Apologist Puncher on Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:08 pm

Comicbookfan-V2 wrote:Actually they look more like man-made constructed hills than volcanoes, but thats just me!

You're damn right it's just YOU.

It's a stupid design, and a horrid visual. But let me guess, you liked it?

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Post  Father Finian on Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:09 am

That's supposed to be Metropolis? Doesn't look anything like Sydney......Hang on, actually if you look close enough you can see Steve Younis conducting a tour.

Of course it ends up looking nothing like an actual city, something real people could relate to. I suppose the "nice" people live up on the plateau......

Oh well, what do you really expect from the geniuses who couldn't even get Superman's curl on the right side of his head?




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Post  Comicbookfan-V2 on Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:16 am

Apologist Puncher wrote:
You're damn right it's just YOU.

It's a stupid design, and a horrid visual. But let me guess, you liked it?

Well in that case, maybe you should show a portriat of what you think Metropolis should look like or aleast give a discription of what it should look like!

And feel free to do the same for Daily Planet Globe too!
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Post  Father Finian on Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:33 am

FWIW, It should look like a real city that can be found on Earth for a start. Here's an idea, how about making it look like somewhere in the United States of America? It is only SUPERMAN and Metropolis........

Perhaps a lot more like New York City and a lot less like Sydney Australia.

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Post  Father Finian on Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:42 am

You know, the amazing thing about it is that despite it only being just a sketch, Bryan Singer STILL worked out where all the gay bars are. So it IS a lot like Sydney again after all.

To be honest, what really gets me mad is that this is supposed to be the Donnerverse. Fuckin typical that Singer and his boys can't even stay within their own parameters. Talk about money to burn whilst having no clue. You're making a film supposedly set in a world created by earlier and much loved films, and then you go and commission artists to create concept art that looks NOTHING like the world your film is purportedly set in.

Fuckin genius. Is there anyone still left who thinks Ruth actually resembled Christopher Reeve?


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Post  webhead2006 on Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:37 am

For me I would say for metropolis first and formost would want it to be real looking. I would probably say shoot in one city like la/nyc/even vancour for example. But with plate shots take nyc/la/tokyo to give it a unique look and feel. As for krypton if we see it I def would love to see a mix of corusant/naboo from star wars type of look for it.
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Post  Comicbookfan-V2 on Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:29 pm

I suppose that you guys may perfer this then...



For the record, this was taken from "Smallville"!
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Post  Father Finian on Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:37 pm

Well, it looks like something you'd see on a postcard. It looks "real" unlike the overblown nonsense Singer's boys came up with above.

Compare the sky in the two pictures. The Smallville shot looks real. The sky looks untouched. The SR game version looks like Metropolis is on another planet. Just unrealistic, phoney, pompous and completely over the top.

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Post  Father Finian on Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:49 pm

By now isn't it accepted that Metropolis IS New York, it just goes by a different name in the comics/films/TV?

Metropolis has it's own Statue Of Liberty. It was even seen in Smallville.

It may be me, but I think everyone "gets it" by now.

Whereas "Gotham City", whilst being an actual slang term for New York is probably better served on screen by Chicago as they do now.

I like Tim Burton's "Batman" but I think that today the Anton Furst approach of creating an entire city by the use of sets on a back lot puts the film even more so into a fantasy land that's harder to relate to. It also distracts from the most important looking thing, the title character (and perhaps his rather cool car).

When Christopher Reeve flew across the Hudson River you were looking mainly at him.

It's easier to leave alone anything remotely connected to Singerman. It can only be used as an example of How Not To Make A Superhero Movie.

Forget about it, drop it and leave it alone. This is what gets me with those fuckin sheep. Singer himself has since stated that he didn't "get" Superman. Why is that statement so hard for some to accept?

Sorry, but if someone considers themselves a fan of Singerman, then they're certainly no fan of Superman. Two different things. Let me be perfectly clear, I can buy any other incarnation of Superman except Singerman. Singer actually broke the character by making him look and behave differently, then put him in a terrible movie.


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Post  thecolorsblend on Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:58 pm

Comic book characters are big and operatic. I loved the Burton versions of Gotham City because it was as if the evil and corruption of the place had affected the city itself. The darkness of it reflects the character. Expressionism, they call it.

As it goes Superman, absolutely, I think they should go for a more stylized approach there as well. The Singerman Metropolis sucked because (A) it didn't represent Superman in any way and (B) it wasn't really a city most of the time, it was just a CG backdrop that Singerman flew over. You didn't really feel like he was in the city in most shots. And even when there was location shooting... it looked like Sydney, not Metropolis. But Metropolis shouldn't look too much like any specific city. It should have taller buildings than most places, more of them, be impossibly sunny, etc. Again, it's intended to serve and reflect the character.

For those reasons, I'm usually not crazy about realism for superheroes. They're supposed to be larger than life, they're supposed to be icons. Forcing them into a real world setting diminishes that.

As for that SV Metropolis picture, if I'm thinking of the right thing, Gough and Millar made fun of it in the season 3 premiere DVD commentary. They didn't like how it came off... and when you study it a little bit, it's hard to argue with them. Even so, I'll take SV's backlot and Vancouver location shooting for Metropolis any day over Singerman's crap-filled Metropolis.
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Post  Father Finian on Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:04 pm

thecolorsblend wrote:Comic book characters are big and operatic. I loved the Burton versions of Gotham City because it was as if the evil and corruption of the place had affected the city itself. The darkness of it reflects the character. Expressionism, they call it.

Phoney and fake, I'd call it.

You can actually find real buildings and locations that reflect that.

Sorry, but the studio back lot doesn't cut it anymore. It dates the first two Burton films more than anything else.

STM, really knew what it was doing way back then.

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Post  Father Finian on Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:06 pm

thecolorsblend wrote:Forcing them into a real world setting diminishes that.

And how by setting Superman 1&2 in the "real" world diminish that?

Look at that. That's me on painkillers! I was going to edit it, but heck no

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Post  thecolorsblend on Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:43 pm

Father Finian wrote:Phoney and fake, I'd call it.

You can actually find real buildings and locations that reflect that.

Sorry, but the studio back lot doesn't cut it anymore. It dates the first two Burton films more than anything else.
SV can't afford much else. The Burton movies didn't have access to much else either for logistics, time, money or some combination of the three. Furst and his crew completely redressed the Pinewood backlot and it looks sufficiently real to me to buy into.

STM, really knew what it was doing way back then.
Not really. It placed the Statue of Liberty in Metropolis. That tended to undercut the "real world" angle Donner was shooting for. It's always bugged me. If we're supposed to assume that STM is basically the real world with Superman in it... the Statue of Liberty sticks out like a sore thumb.

In a more fantasy-oriented setting, such things aren't a problem.

Father Finian wrote:And how by setting Superman 1&2 in the "real" world diminish that?

Look at that. That's me on painkillers! I was going to edit it, but heck no
Because there's no way to introduce out-and-out supervillains into the Donnerverse without either (A) dismantling the realism Donner had set up or (B) altering those characters beyond recognition to fit into a more realistic setting. I simply can't picture characters like Brainiac or Bizarro anywhere near the Donnerverse.

Compare that to Burton's Batman films, which could easily have accommodated the Scarecrow from the comics (not the pretty boy, pussified version Nolan puked on us), Hugo Strange and his monster men or any of a number of other characters.

In fact, Nolan's Batman franchise, sooner or later, will face the same predicament. You simply cannot incorporate the more fantastic or heavily sci-fi concepts inherent to most superheroes into a sustainable realistic setting. Whether Nolan continues with that universe or whether someone else does, eventually they'll have to make a choice.
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Post  Apologist Puncher on Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:55 pm

Comicbookfan-V2 wrote:Well in that case, maybe you should show a portriat of what you think Metropolis should look like or aleast give a discription of what it should look like!

And feel free to do the same for Daily Planet Globe too!

I'll take that as a "Yes, I have bad taste and I like it!".

And here you go, Metropolis should resemble a city like this:



Or this:



You know, like a REAL CITY PEOPLE WOULD LIVE IN?

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Post  Apologist Puncher on Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:03 pm

Father Finian wrote:You know, the amazing thing about it is that despite it only being just a sketch, Bryan Singer STILL worked out where all the gay bars are. So it IS a lot like Sydney again after all.



To be honest, what really gets me mad is that this is supposed to be the Donnerverse. Fuckin typical that Singer and his boys can't even stay within their own parameters. Talk about money to burn whilst having no clue. You're making a film supposedly set in a world created by earlier and much loved films, and then you go and commission artists to create concept art that looks NOTHING like the world your film is purportedly set in.

Pretty much. BS in a nutshell said: "This will be a semi-sequel to Superman II, but what I am going to do is change EVERYTHING you can remember VISUALLY. It can't lose!!!"

Fuckin genius. Is there anyone still left who thinks Ruth actually resembled Christopher Reeve?

There are a few fat bitches and gay boys who do.

I think?

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Post  webhead2006 on Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:23 pm

When was there ever a statue of liberty in sv?
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Post  Father Finian on Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:30 pm

Sorry Colors. Anyone who states that STM didn't really know what they were doing is either an apologist or a fucking moron, and I didn't think you were either. You wouldn't be here discussing any of this if not for that film.

You're missing the fundamental point here. It's become pretty much accepted over the years that Metropolis IS New York City. That's why the Statue Of Liberty has been seen so many times.....and even Rex Reed!

I think you're also incorrect re Furst's sets. They cost a fuckin fortune to build. How could they not? And that's the reason they don't do much of that sort of thing these days. I can't see how the real world settings in the Marvel-verse films has damaged them at all. "Iron Man" starts in "Afghanistan". I can't see anything more real world than that. The dangers of the stylized world you want to see will end up being another CGI monstrosity like the others posted here that ends up looking like nothing on earth. Besides, studio economics these days simply would forbid the building of sets in the way Furst did in 89.

Let's keep it simple this time without going all "arty farty" Let's concentrate on getting Superman himself right.



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Post  Father Finian on Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:32 pm

webhead2006 wrote:When was there ever a statue of liberty in sv?

Seen at least once or twice. Clark has been seen standing on it and took a leap from it earlier this season.

As yet, there has been no Rex Reed in Smallville though.


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Post  thecolorsblend on Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:10 pm

Father Finian wrote:I think you're also incorrect re Furst's sets. They cost a fuckin fortune to build. How could they not?
What was the alternative to achieve Burton's vision? CGI???

I can't see how the real world settings in the Marvel-verse films has damaged them at all. "Iron Man" starts in "Afghanistan". I can't see anything more real world than that. The dangers of the stylized world you want to see will end up being another CGI monstrosity like the others posted here that ends up looking like nothing on earth.
Marvel is it's own thing. They tend to place their superheroes in real world cities. It's supposed to be a fairly realistic universe. When the Hulk got pardoned, it wasn't by a fictional President, it was by Ronald Reagan. When Hulk didn't get pardoned, it was by Bill Clinton. So on and so on.

DC is different from Marvel though. Different worlds, different rules.

Different rules. The Superman family characters are barely characters at all. They're ICONS. Big and expressive. The stuff that makes the Marvel universe tick wouldn't work for DC.

Different worlds. A lot of Marvel characters living in real world cities while a lot of DC characters live in fictional cities (Metropolis, Gotham City, Keystone City, Central City, etc). There is clear inspiration from real world locales but at the end of the day, Metropolis has a lot of key differences from New York. Gotham City, also, is different from New York. Using New York for either may be the best compromise in a world without digital technology but the then modern tools of the trade (models, matte paintings, etc) allowed Burton to make his version of Gotham City grimier, darker and overall more unpleasant than the real NYC.

And yes, before I get a Captain Obvious post from someone, I realize Nolan shot the Gotham City stuff in Chicago. That isn't the point. But since I'm talking about it, the Gotham City in Nolan's movies doesn't look like Gotham City, it looks like Chicago. Burton's movies, however, look like they were shot in GOTHAM CITY.

What I'm driving at here is that Marvel is a universe about CHARACTERS. DC is a universe about ICONS. Comparing the two borders on apples and oranges.
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